Cardinal Pell and Evolution

[1213]

So are you evil?

I hope that I am not.

 

[1213]

Yes, that is one of the few errors attributed to Jesus.

Why do you think it is error? I think it is logical truth.

 

[Altfish]

I think murder is unjust killing. God has given life, so He has also right to decide how long life He gives. Therefore He is not a murderer.

The Flood? Just????

I think you are changing the rules to suit your god,

 

[joelr]

It is amazing how you can believe all that.

Science believes that because there is evidence. There is a fossil record.

Bible is not describing pi in any way. It gives two measurements and then some people interpret they give number for pi.

Bible tells distance from brim to brim (1) and circumference (2). Because 1 is ten and 2 is 30, it means 2 is the inside dimension and 1 is the outside dimension. This means, inside diameter was ~9.55, outside diameter 10 and so the thickness of the bowl was about 0.225. One can't really say Bible is giving wrong idea of pi in that.

That is pi, it wasn't called pi by those people yet, but they knew what it was used for because it's describing exactly what pi is used for.

It appears Jesus was killed on Wednesday (14th), the day before Passover Shabbat (15th). Passover Shabbat is not the same as weekly Shabbat (Saturday). In this it is good to notice, Jewish day begins at 21:00 and ends 21:00. 15th day is a special Shabbat day, as in regular Shabbat, no work should be done then. So, the reason why people have difficulties to understand this is that they don't know Passover as taught in the Bible.

"Now we can return to Mark’s account of Jesus’ death. Jesus and his
disciples have made a pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Passover feast.
In Mark 14:12, the disciples ask Jesus where they are to prepare the
Passover meal for that evening. In other words, this is on the Day of
Preparation for Passover. Jesus gives them instructions. They make
the preparations, and when it is evening—the beginning of Passover
day—they have the meal. It is a special meal indeed. Jesus takes
the symbolic foods of the Passover and imbues them with yet more
symbolic meaning. He takes the unleavened bread, breaks it, and
says, “This is my body.” By implication, his body must be broken for
salvation. Then after supper he takes the cup of wine and says, “This
is my blood of the covenant, that is poured out for many” (Mark
14:22—25), meaning that his own blood must be shed.
After the disciples eat the Passover meal they go out to the Garden
of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Iscariot brings the troops and performs
his act of betrayal. Jesus is taken to stand trial before the Jewish au¬
thorities. He spends the night in jail, and the next morning he is put
on trial before the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, who finds him
guilty and condemns him to death by crucifixion. We are told that
he is crucified that same day, at nine o’clock in the morning (Mark
15:25). Jesus, then, dies on the day of Passover, the morning after the
Passover meal was eaten.

All this is clear and straightforward in Mark’s Gospel, but despite
some basic similarities, it is at odds with the story told in the Gospel
of John, which is also clear and straightforward. Here, too, Jesus goes
to Jerusalem in the last week of his life to celebrate the Passover feast,
and here, too, there is a last meal, a betrayal, a trial before Pilate, and
the crucifixion. But it is striking that in John, at the beginning of the
account, in contrast to Mark, the disciples do not ask Jesus where they
are “to prepare the Passover.” Consequently, he gives them no in¬
structions for preparing the meal. They do eat a final supper together,
but in John, Jesus says nothing about the bread being his body or the
cup representing his blood. Instead he washes the disciples’ feet, a
story found in none of the other Gospels (John 13:1—20).

After the meal they go out. Jesus is betrayed by Judas, appears
before the Jewish authorities, spends the night in jail, and is put on
trial before Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him
to be crucified. And we are told exactly when Pilate pronounces the
sentence: “It was the Day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was
about noon” (John 19:14).

Noon? On the Day of Preparation for the Passover? The day the
lambs were slaughtered? How can that be? In Mark’s Gospel, Jesus
lived through that day, had his disciples prepare the Passover meal,
and ate it with them before being arrested, taken to jail for the
night, tried the next morning, and executed at nine o’clock a.m. on
the Passover day. But not in John. In John, Jesus dies a day earlier, on
the Day of Preparation for the Passover, sometime after noon.

 

[metis]

I think murder is unjust killing. God has given life, so He has also right to decide how long life He gives. Therefore He is not a murderer.

But why would God supposedly commit massive genocide and then tell us that it's morally wrong?

BTW, you may think I'm attacking the Bible but I'm not. What I do attack is the concepts of inerrancy and literalism. Up until the 19th century, all denominations didn't believe in either one, including the early Church.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think murder is unjust killing. God has given life, so He has also right to decide how long life He gives. Therefore He is not a murderer.

Sorry, but that excuses any evil deed that any version of god makes. "Might makes right" is not moral.

 

[Muffled]

The very first falsehood is believing that a god wrote any line in any theology.

A perfect example: is the commandments themselves. They did not impose themselves to stone or come from a god. They are man made and existed for over a 1000 yrs before the torah was even written.

Same with NT, jesus never wrote a word of the dialogue and the only time a christian will consider that line of thought is when Jesus is quoted as claiming 'why do thou call me good, only one is good, god" ... that line is in 2 different books and it's the about the only line that christians will discount of bible.

I believe you can't rove it is false.

 

[Muffled]

Preconceived ideas based on a single
source, certainty that you and your
source are immune to error go far beyond
mere " bias".

I believe God does not make errors.

 

[Muffled]

You see it just fine, unless you are mentally disabled
and dont even know what you've said.

I have a fine mind but it does not jump to conclusions. I need a logical trail to follow which shouldn't be too much of a stretch for you.

 

[Audie]

I believe God does not make errors.

If there's a god it probably wouldn't.

You, otoh, are fill of them.

 

[Audie]

I have a fine mind but it does not jump to conclusions. I need a logical trail to follow which shouldn't be too much of a stretch for you.

So why can't you see it with said overated mjnd?

 

[Bthoth]

I believe you can't rove it is false.

OK
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THE 42 LAWS OF MA'AT​

The 42 Laws of Ma'at are a set of divine laws transcribed by the Ancient Egyptians in (or around) 2925 B.C.E. Transcribed in hieroglyphics on a scroll called the Papyrus of Ani, the 42 laws were discovered in 1888 in Luxor, Egypt.

THE 42 LAWS OF MA'AT​

The 42 Laws Of Ma'at are sometimes referred to as "The Negative Confessions" or "The Declaration Of Innocence."

1. I have not committed sin.
2. I have not committed robbery with violence.
3. I have not stolen.
4. I have not slain men or women.
5. I have not stolen food.
6. I have not swindled offerings.
7. I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
8. I have not told lies.
9. I have not carried away food.
10. I have not cursed.
11. I have not closed my ears to truth.
12. I have not committed adultery.
13. I have not made anyone cry.
14. I have not felt sorrow without reason.
15. I have not assaulted anyone.
16. I am not deceitful.
17. I have not stolen anyone’s land.
18. I have not been an eavesdropper.
19. I have not falsely accused anyone.
20. I have not been angry without reason.
21. I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
22. I have not polluted myself.
23. I have not terrorized anyone.
24. I have not disobeyed the Law.
25. I have not been exclusively angry.
26. I have not cursed God/Goddess.
27. I have not behaved with violence.
28. I have not caused disruption of peace.
29. I have not acted hastily or without thought.
30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
31. I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
32. I have not worked evil.
33. I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
34. I have not polluted the water.
35. I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
36. I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
37. I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
38. I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
39. I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
40. I have not taken food from a child.
41. I have not acted with insolence.
42. I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.

These items are far older than torah by 1000's of years.

Moses per HIM, per Torah was born and raised in egypt and specifically lived in the 'house of pharaoh'

To learn the amount of material found in Torah, the man had to learn from the libraries of egypt and speaking to god was a easy as coming home for dinner conversations with, pharaoh.

What is so awful about, learning and conveying to the population on how to be as good as even the gods of the time. IN a sense, that is the key and core of an emancipation (exodus) of a central control.

I consider the comprehension as the best reality to develop. As then, like now, accepting that a man (Moses) could contribute as a matter of choice, just to do what is right. Enabling people to overcome a central authority and think for a living.

About like now as you want to have an answer to measure for yourself.

 

[Brian2]

But why would God supposedly commit massive genocide and then tell us that it's morally wrong?

BTW, you may think I'm attacking the Bible but I'm not. What I do attack is the concepts of inerrancy and literalism. Up until the 19th century, all denominations didn't believe in either one, including the early Church.

It's better to realise that God is our judge and has the right to kill us than to say that the Bible is just wrong imo.

 

[Brian2]

"Now we can return to Mark’s account of Jesus’ death. Jesus and his
disciples have made a pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Passover feast.
In Mark 14:12, the disciples ask Jesus where they are to prepare the
Passover meal for that evening. In other words, this is on the Day of
Preparation for Passover. Jesus gives them instructions. They make
the preparations, and when it is evening—the beginning of Passover
day—they have the meal. It is a special meal indeed. Jesus takes
the symbolic foods of the Passover and imbues them with yet more
symbolic meaning. He takes the unleavened bread, breaks it, and
says, “This is my body.” By implication, his body must be broken for
salvation. Then after supper he takes the cup of wine and says, “This
is my blood of the covenant, that is poured out for many” (Mark
14:22—25), meaning that his own blood must be shed.
After the disciples eat the Passover meal they go out to the Garden
of Gethsemane to pray. Judas Iscariot brings the troops and performs
his act of betrayal. Jesus is taken to stand trial before the Jewish au¬
thorities. He spends the night in jail, and the next morning he is put
on trial before the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, who finds him
guilty and condemns him to death by crucifixion. We are told that
he is crucified that same day, at nine o’clock in the morning (Mark
15:25). Jesus, then, dies on the day of Passover, the morning after the
Passover meal was eaten.

All this is clear and straightforward in Mark’s Gospel, but despite
some basic similarities, it is at odds with the story told in the Gospel
of John, which is also clear and straightforward. Here, too, Jesus goes
to Jerusalem in the last week of his life to celebrate the Passover feast,
and here, too, there is a last meal, a betrayal, a trial before Pilate, and
the crucifixion. But it is striking that in John, at the beginning of the
account, in contrast to Mark, the disciples do not ask Jesus where they
are “to prepare the Passover.” Consequently, he gives them no in¬
structions for preparing the meal. They do eat a final supper together,
but in John, Jesus says nothing about the bread being his body or the
cup representing his blood. Instead he washes the disciples’ feet, a
story found in none of the other Gospels (John 13:1—20).

After the meal they go out. Jesus is betrayed by Judas, appears
before the Jewish authorities, spends the night in jail, and is put on
trial before Pontius Pilate, who finds him guilty and condemns him
to be crucified. And we are told exactly when Pilate pronounces the
sentence: “It was the Day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was
about noon” (John 19:14).

Noon? On the Day of Preparation for the Passover? The day the
lambs were slaughtered? How can that be? In Mark’s Gospel, Jesus
lived through that day, had his disciples prepare the Passover meal,
and ate it with them before being arrested, taken to jail for the
night, tried the next morning, and executed at nine o’clock a.m. on
the Passover day. But not in John. In John, Jesus dies a day earlier, on
the Day of Preparation for the Passover, sometime after noon.

The Galilean tradition of keeping the Passover was not the same as when they kept it in Jerusalem.

https://www.olivetreemessianic.org/uploads/1/6/7/5/16753254/27_tazria_04-09-16.pdf

 

[Bthoth]

It's better to realise that God is our judge and has the right to kill us than to say that the Bible is just wrong imo.

Bible has great wisdom but to learn and comprehend that wisdom, is to question the veracity of the scribes and pharisee and keep the rules before the beliefs.

 

[joelr]

The Galilean tradition of keeping the Passover was not the same as when they kept it in Jerusalem.

https://www.olivetreemessianic.org/uploads/1/6/7/5/16753254/27_tazria_04-09-16.pdf

In a later calendar. In the time of Jesus everyone celebrated Passover on the same day.

But Mark says he died on the morning of Passover at 9.


John says he died at noon on the day of preperation. It was the same festival in Jerusalem, not years later by some different calendar?


It';s clear John was the first to make Jesus God and wanted Jesus to be the lamb of God. The lamb was sacrificed on the day of preparation.
John is the first to call Jesus the lamb of God as well. This is a theological change and demonstrates the story is completely changed in both versions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you think it is error? I think it is logical truth.

When you demonstrate that you are not reasoning rationally and consistently you have no business using the word "logical". Of course you believe that God is a liar and mass murderer and you seem to be fine with that.

 

[Brian2]

In a later calendar. In the time of Jesus everyone celebrated Passover on the same day.

But Mark says he died on the morning of Passover at 9.


John says he died at noon on the day of preperation. It was the same festival in Jerusalem, not years later by some different calendar?


It';s clear John was the first to make Jesus God and wanted Jesus to be the lamb of God. The lamb was sacrificed on the day of preparation.
John is the first to call Jesus the lamb of God as well. This is a theological change and demonstrates the story is completely changed in both versions.

It is clear in the gospels that Jesus and His disciples did not celebrate the Passover at the same time the Pharisees did.
Why do you say that at the time of Jesus everyone celebrated Passover on the same day.
The link I gave says Today, Judaism has placed the Galilean last supper meal within the Seder, not the night before. But some in Judaism still keep this traditional way of starting the Passover with a last supper meal the night before the Seder and then the fast.

https://www.olivetreemessianic.org/uploads/1/6/7/5/16753254/27_tazria_04-09-16.pdf

 

[metis]

It's better to realise that God is our judge and has the right to kill us than to say that the Bible is just wrong imo.

But I am not convinced that "God is our judge" based on such a literalistic approach to scripture, especially since it makes Him guilty of the same things He teaches us are immoral.

 

[Brian2]

But I am not convinced that "God is our judge" based on such a literalistic approach to scripture, especially since it makes Him guilty of the same things He teaches us are immoral.

How does God's being our judge make Him guilty of anything?