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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Evolutionists never can defend the indefensible?
No, that would be you.

I am curious, why are you so afraid to learn the basics of science? Do you know deep down that you are wrong? That is the only reason that I can come up with for your constant running away from concepts that should be within your grasp.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
No, that would be you.

I am curious, why are you so afraid to learn the basics of science? Do you know deep down that you are wrong? That is the only reason that I can come up with for your constant running away from concepts that should be within your grasp.
I already know the basics of science and that is why I know that evolution is not science.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I already know the basics of science and that is why I know that evolution is not science.
You clearly do not. You could not describe the scientific method, you do not have any idea of what is or what is not evidence. If you really did you would not be afraid to discuss these issues because you could confirm your claims very quickly.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
You clearly do not. You could not describe the scientific method, you do not have any idea of what is or what is not evidence. If you really did you would not be afraid to discuss these issues because you could confirm your claims very quickly.
Evolution is not science at all. Abiogenesis has never been observed and is certainly not testable. It is also impossible.
The Big Bang is also not observable nor testable.
And of course a scientific theory should be allowed to stand up against all tests that falsify it.
Evolution and billions of years has been falsified by all creation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Evolution is not science at all. Abiogenesis has never been observed and is certainly not testable. It is also impossible.
The Big Bang is also not observable nor testable.
And of course a scientific theory should be allowed to stand up against all tests that falsify it.
Evolution and billions of years has been falsified by all creation.
And there you go proving that you do not understand the scientific method without even discussing it.

Once again, why are you so afraid to discuss even the basics? Is it because you know that you are wrong?
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
And there you go proving that you do not understand the scientific method without even discussing it.

Once again, why are you so afraid to discuss even the basics? Is it because you know that you are wrong?
The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.

You say it's impossible then go on to list how it is possible :rolleyes:
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

You would need to prove that. Oh, and please, it is a very bad sign when you have to rely on strawman arguments. They only demonstrate your ignorance. But I am betting that you are too ignorant to spot the strawman that you just used.
It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.
No, this has been refuted. When you go back to old refuted arguments the post is over after this one. I will point out that you already lost that argument and ignore the rest of your nonsense.
The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

Again, that is a refuted claim.
And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.
And you got it wrong.

Try again.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
You would need to prove that. Oh, and please, it is a very bad sign when you have to rely on strawman arguments. They only demonstrate your ignorance. But I am betting that you are too ignorant to spot the strawman that you just used.

No, this has been refuted. When you go back to old refuted arguments the post is over after this one. I will point out that you already lost that argument and ignore the rest of your nonsense.
Again, that is a refuted claim.

And you got it wrong.

Try again.
I nailed it and refuted evolution.
 

McBell

Unbound
The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.
Show your math
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Show your math
Here it is.

The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I nailed it and refuted evolution.
No, that is a a falsehood. And you seem to know it.

A person that actually believed it would be willing to demonstrate that they understood the basics of science. They would be willing to demonstrate that they understood the concept of evidence. They would be willing to demonstrate that they understand the science that they are trying to refute.

You will do none of these things. Your actions show that even you do not believe that you refuted evolution.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Here it is.

The first creature could not have come into being by random chance. It is impossible.

It would have to have had at least 100,000 amino acids in a particular sequence. This is extremely generous. The smallest free-living thing has over 1,000,000 base pairs. I also have not included having over 500 million other atoms in it.

The odds against a sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 counting handedness) coming to be by random chance is (10 to the 160,000 power) to 1. That could never have happened anywhere in the universe over the supposed 13.7 billion years of its existence. It actually is impossible because no concentration of that amount of amino acids would happen by random chance. There are other factors that make it impossible. It would be a miracle.

And that is just to get to the first living thing. There would have to at least 1 trillion other miracles to produce all the living creatures by evolution. That would be about 70 miracles for each of the supposed 13.7 billion years.

Once again you have said it can't happen then go on to list how it could have happened. Make up your mind.
 
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