Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Subduction Zone]

Again false accusation by you. Quit it,

It was not a false accusation. Do you need it justified? I can do that if you like.

If the first living thing was just proteins, how did it ever get evolve to use RNA? It is irreducibly complex. You need all the parts to be working for it not to be destruction.

No one claimed that it was "just proteins".

If it was RNA based, how did it to ever evolve to use DNA? It is irreducibly complex. You need all the parts to be working for it not to be destruction.

Do you mean how did DNA develop? I do not know. I do not know if that is understood yet. But guess what? You could not answer the question about the color of God's underwear. Did that question refute God? Your pointless question does not refute abiogenesis either. An answer of "We don't know yet" does not mean that an idea has been refuted.

You should understand this by now. You keep acting as if your inability to name the color of God's underwear refutes God. We do not claim that, why do you claim essentially the same thing?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

It was n

Wow, you are gullible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wow, you are gullible.

LOL! says the person that believes a book of myths written for children.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

LOL! says the person that believes a book of myths written for children.

You believe in the myth of evolution.
I believe in the the word of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You believe in the myth of evolution.

And this is demonstrably a breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Your inability to understand the sciences does not make evolution a myth. I can support evolution endlessly. You cannot do the same for your Bible beliefs.

I believe in the the word of God.

But you do not even understand what the "word of God" is. And you cannot support that the Bible is factual at all.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

And

Thanks for admitting the commandments of God.
Which you are breaking yet again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for admitting the commandments of God.
Which you are breaking yet again.

Oh my, you cannot even quote me properly because you know that you are wrong. Once could be an error. Twice is an admission by you that you are wrong. You keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Why do you run away every time that you are shown to be wrong?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Oh my, you cannot even quote me properly because you know that you are wrong. Once could be an error. Twice is an admission by you that you are wrong. You keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Why do you run away every time that you are shown to be wrong?

Abiogenesis is a big lie and insane so why not admit you got flim flammed

 

[SkepticThinker]

I already know the basics of science and that is why I know that evolution is not science.

When are you going to show it then? Some time soon, I hope. 'Cause so far all you've got are long ago debunked creationist talking points.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am just curious,

I see no evidence of this. Someone who was truly curious would take the time to read the information provided to them rather than just ignoring it, as you've done repeatedly throughout this thread and others. Your questions have been answered.

What caused the Big Bang?
What was there before the Big Bang?
Where did all the orderly laws of nature come from?
What was the first living creature?
How did it handle osmosis and diffusion?
This is more than just water. There are many other ions whose flow and concentration must be tightly controlled.
What was controlling the gating of these functions and what transport was used?
How did it replenish its chemical energy stores?
How did it replicate?
How did it prevent many copying errors?
How did it assemble all these amino acids into large sequences?
Where did it get its supply of amino acids?
How did it do these things while protecting itself?
Where did it come into being?
When did this occur?
What was the protective layer made of?
About how many atoms was it made of?
How did it repair itself?
Where did it get its supply of amino acids?
How were these moved into the creature?
Could it move around?

I read that Darwin attended a seance? Did he get some of his delusions from devils?
I read that Marx wanted to see the blood of 100s of millions shed and he wanted to dedicated The Communist Manifesto to Darwin.
Now Marx promoted Communism and Socialism which lead to Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
Did you know that God warned about seances with lying spirits?

These questions are ludicrous and have nothing whatsoever to do with evolution or the age of the earth.
Where'd you pull this wacky cut and paste job from?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Abiogenesis is a big lie and insane so why not admit you got flim flammed

What makes you think that? I need to remind that there is strong evidence for abiogenesis. There is no evidence for your beliefs.

There is a reason that I try to give you ammo by teaching you what is and what is not evidence.

Unlike you I am not afraid to enter into a proper debate.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Satan deceives the whole world shows that you are blind with your so called "experts" in this area of knowledge.

Prove it. No assumptions, remember?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I could not anything of value in your post.

If evolution is gradual, there should be millions of chains of missing links. All are missing. Why? There should also be partially developed organs, etc. in all individual creatures right now and that have ever lived. There are not why? The odds against these 2 things are mind boggling.
I did a quick calculation and I get odds against of 10^10 million to 1. That doe snot include all the impossibilities against it.

Aaaaand now we're back to yet another list of claims that have been addressed umpteen times.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Aaaaand now we're back to yet another list of claims that have been addressed umpteen times.

Which you cannot refute

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have only rejected you accusations directed at me which called me a liar.

Back to the topic at hand.

For a specific sequence of 100,000 amino acids (20 types, 39 with handedness) the odds against just the code is 10^160,000 to 1. That is 1 followed by 160,000 zeros. That is almost 100 pages to type out. With 10% of the combinations being possible (probably lower) the odds drop quite a bit to 10^159,999 to 1. So that is still almost 100 pages to type out with the removal of 1 zero.

And of course I did not take into account the almost 100 million other atoms of specific elements in specific bonds with other elements located at specific positions in 3D space. And all this would have to be in place in very close proximity almost simultaneously. It s still impossible. And of course the poor creature does not live long and has no descendants.

Oopsy you look to be stuck in a loop.
Quick, get someone to give you a hard pat on the back!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which you cannot refute

Are you sure about that?

It is odd that you will not argue any of those claims properly. Why it is almost as if you know that they are all false.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Are you sure about that?

It is odd that you will not argue any of those claims properly. Why it is almost as if you know that they are all false.

Please refute,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please refute,

Refute what? That was an observation. It appears that you are now so desperate that you are just spouting random phrases.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Refute what? That was an observation. It appears that you are now so desperate that you are just spouting random phrases.

What observation?

 

[F1fan]

Just a bunch of nothing and some false accusations thrown into the mix.
Some people are deceived by Satan in this area of knowledge.

We can see that in your posts.

What was the first living thing made of? Was it DNA? Was it RNA? Was it just proteins? Was it some mix?

You ask because you have no answers. Science works to explain how the universe operates.