Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?

[TransmutingSoul]

I know it's hard to do, I certainly can't do it, but Baha'is are supposed to bring people together in love and unity... something about if religion causes disharmony then we are better off without it. Neb is only standing up for his beliefs, how should a Baha'i confront someone from another religion?

With the Truth and Love.

Defending ones belief does not involve unfounded accusations against a person one has no knowledge of.

If Neb wishes to defend His Faith, he needs to know the Truth about the person of Baha'ullah. If he did this, he would see the error in the comments made.

He does not have to Defend Jesus the Christ. A Bahai Loves Christ and His Word.

Regards Tony

 

[Neb]

In case it didn't come up before, but I don't think Baha'is believe in demons or Satan.

Denial perhaps but in Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’

 

[Neb]

You have convicted yourself with that post Neb. It appears you keep returning to push a dead point, to which we have supplied the answers to.

"Answers" that only favors your pov and disregard anything that the Bible is saying against it? You use the Bible as a tool only to propagate your belief to entice, to tempt Christians to join your movement. You used the same argument over and over again and it reminds me of this verse in Proverbs 26:11 "As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"

It is obvious you also took no time to check out the character of Baha'u'llah and continue to post about what you have no knowledge of.

I wish you always well.

Regards Tony

Like I said before, I appeal to the Bible only and if it's NOT or against the Bible then there is only one conclusion, and that is, it is a false belief.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Denial perhaps but in Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’

This shows we can all be the embodiment of Satan. All degrees of evil are found in our remoteness from God and His Word.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Like I said before, I appeal to the Bible only and if it's NOT or against the Bible then there is only one conclusion, and that is, it is a false belief.

Your comment is flawed in wording, I assume you meant to write, if it is against the Bible, then it is a False Belief.

You are free to Post where the Baha'i Writings are against the Bible and Christ. An alternate interpretation is not a rejection of the Bible or of Jesus the Christ. The Church has split many times over because of interpretation. As such, it is a very poor argument to say a view is false because it offers a new way of looking at the same scriptures. You would have to reject all breakaway Faiths in Christ with that argument.

Baha'u'llah and Likewise Abdul'baha, have Testified of Jesus the Christ many times over, here is one passage;

"Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence 86 exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.
We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.
Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him."

Baha'u'llah and Abdul'Baha have confirmed the Bible contains the Word of God, to which a Baha'i will offer to all humanity;

Inscription in the Old Bible Written by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in Persian - "THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God." ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás.

Regards Tony

 

[Neb]

Your comment is flawed in wording, I assume you meant to write, if it is against the Bible, then it is a False Belief.

Using the word "OR" to connect two words or phrases with the same meaning "OR" different meaning and in this case, it's the same meaning, i.e., "if it's NOT or against". Well, I guess I did NOT write the word "in" right after the word "NOT" like "If it's NOT in 'OR' against" the Bible then there is only one conclusion, and that is, it is a false belief.

 

[Neb]

You are free to Post where the Baha'i Writings are against the Bible and Christ. An alternate interpretation is not a rejection of the Bible or of Jesus the Christ.

There is the word “OR” again or an “alternate” and this time with a negative connotation like a second opinion, a substitute, “OR” a replacement.

 

[Neb]

The Church has split many times over because of interpretation. As such, it is a very poor argument to say a view is false because it offers a new way of looking at the same scriptures. You would have to reject all breakaway Faiths in Christ with that argument.

We have the Bible as an established reference and if there are “breakaways” or divergence from the faith we could always go to this established reference or source of information for guidance. For example: If a Christian church teaches tithings as part of their tithes and offerings service, do you think they follow what the Bible is saying? What is your answer?

 

[Neb]

Baha'u'llah and Likewise Abdul'baha, have Testified of Jesus the Christ many times over, here is one passage;


"Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence 86 exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him."


Baha'u'llah and Abdul'Baha have confirmed the Bible contains the Word of God, to which a Baha'i will offer to all humanity;


Inscription in the Old Bible Written by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in Persian - "THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God." ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás.


Regards Tony

These writings/commentaries are nothing but “old wives' fables”.

 

[Neb]

This shows we can all be the embodiment of Satan.

No, not at all. Just because I don't agree with your belief does not mean it “shows we can all be the embodiment of Satan”. It’s very clear: your belief and my belief do not have anything in common. Paul said: “ Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?” -2 Corinthians 6:14

 

[Neb]

All degrees of evil are found in our remoteness from God and His Word.


Regards Tony

"All degrees of evil are found in our remoteness from God and His Word." Spot-on! Let's analyze John 1:1 again. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Until you fully understand, i.e., exegetically and I don’t mean bahaullah’s commentaries, the meaning of John 1:1 we can conclude that your belief is nowhere near the word of God.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No, not at all. Just because I don't agree with your belief does not mean it “shows we can all be the embodiment of Satan”. It’s very clear: your belief and my belief do not have anything in common. Paul said: “ Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?” -2 Corinthians 6:14

You would have to prove a Baha'i an Unbeliever, this can not be done, as we believe in Christ and the Bible.

It may be since we have accepted the return of Christ that these passage becomes applicable to the Christian that has not;

John 9:39-41"And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."

Luke 12:46"the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers."

John 12:48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day"

Regards Tony

 

[Neb]

You would have to prove a Baha'i an Unbeliever, this can not be done, as we believe in Christ and the Bible.

It may be since we have accepted the return of Christ that these passage becomes applicable to the Christian that has not;

John 9:39-41"And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."

This was the first coming or during Christ's earthly ministry and NOT the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.

Luke 12:46"the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers."

This is the 2nd coming and this is about salvation and judgment. Where are the salvation and the judgment today according to bahai faith? Nowhere to be seen because the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus has not happened yet.

John 12:48"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day"

This is between the 1st coming and the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.

None of these verses relates to bahai faith movement.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This was the first coming or during Christ's earthly ministry and NOT the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.

This is the 2nd coming and this is about salvation and judgment. Where are the salvation and the judgment today according to bahai faith? Nowhere to be seen because the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus has not happened yet.
This is between the 1st coming and the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.

None of these verses relates to bahai faith movement.

Gods Word and Advice, as given by Christ, is Timeless and does not benefit just one people in one age.

We are judged by our reaction to the Message of Baha'u'llah and our actions towards implementing Gods given Laws for this age, the Salvation of all Humanity.

A prayer;

"O my God, the God of bounty and mercy! Thou art that King by Whose commanding word the whole creation hath been called into being; and Thou art that All-Bountiful One the doings of Whose servants have never hindered Him from showing forth His grace, nor have they frustrated the revelations of His bounty. Suffer this servant, I beseech Thee, to attain unto that which is the cause of his salvation in every world of Thy worlds. Thou art, verily, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise." – Baha’u’llah, Baha’i Prayers, p. 146.

Regards Tony

 

[Muffled]

No, he was much younger then. God mellowed out after that. Look at how many guys change after they become fathers.

I believe I am not sure how mellow He will appear when He destroys the world.

 

[Muffled]

There is enough evidence to sink a ship.

Jesus was not God in the flesh. God cannot become a man. That was a false doctrine invented by the Church. Time will tell. In the future everyone will know who Baha’u’llah was, I mean everybody. It won’t be like Christianity who after over 2000 years still only has 33% of the world population.

Baha’u’llah did not need the Bible to substantiate Himself. He received His Own Revelation from God.Baha’is do not even refer to the Bible unless we are talking to Christians because they won’t talk any other language. Baha’is were formerly from all the world religions; Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Jews, Muslims, and only some Baha’is came from Christian backgrounds.

Baha’u’llah fulfilled all the prophecies of all the major religions, who were waiting for their Promised One to come:

“Each of the world's major religions contains Messianic prophecies.

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, the Zoroastrian religion and even the Native American religions all foretell the coming of a Promised One. Each of the Founders of these great religions either promised to personally return himself, to send another like himself or in some instances.... the Founder promised to do both.......

or centuries, people from all over the world have been hoping and praying that they will be the generation which will witness the appearance of their Promised One. Not many have considered the possibility that these prophecies from the various religions might actually all be foretelling the exact same event.

Members of the Baha'i Faith believe that in the middle of the last century these prophecies actually were fulfilled and that the Promised One truly did appear.

Baha'u'llah, the Prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith, claims to be the Promised One whose coming was explicitly foretold, not only in the Old and the New Testaments.... but also in the prophecies of the Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Islamic and other religions.

If Baha'u'llah truly is the Promised One then His appearance is one of the greatest events of human history. Are Baha'u'llah's claim true? How can we know for certain? Just take a look at some of the proofs and prophecies... and then decide for yourself.”
Prophecy Fulfilled Webpage

I believe you should show me the evidence like in the movie line "show me the money."

I believe there is no evidence to support that statement and plenty of Biblical evidence that He did just that.

I believe that is pure fantasy.

I believe that means he claimed to receive revelation from God which anyone can do but that does not mean he actually did. The Bible is a good source to measure a person's claim and the B man does not square with the Bible.

I believe there is no solid evidence fr this. No doubt he tried to pass himself off as the Mahdi.

I believe this shows he is a false prophet because his claims are false.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

...

This is the 2nd coming and this is about salvation and judgment. Where are the salvation and the judgment today according to bahai faith? Nowhere to be seen because the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus has not happened yet.
.

Hi Neb, how do we know based on Bible Scriptures if salvation and judgement has come or not? Based on Bible, What do we need to see in order to recognize that the Salvation and Judgement has come?

 

[Neb]

Gods Word and Advice, as given by Christ, is Timeless and does not benefit just one people in one age.

"Timeless" there is no argument there.

Pr 30:5 “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

Pr 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

We are judged by our reaction to the Message of Baha'u'llah and our actions towards implementing Gods given Laws for this age, the Salvation of all Humanity.


A prayer;


"O my God, the God of bounty and mercy! Thou art that King by Whose commanding word the whole creation hath been called into being; and Thou art that All-Bountiful One the doings of Whose servants have never hindered Him from showing forth His grace, nor have they frustrated the revelations of His bounty. Suffer this servant, I beseech Thee, to attain unto that which is the cause of his salvation in every world of Thy worlds. Thou art, verily, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise." – Baha’u’llah, Baha’i Prayers, p. 146.


Regards Tony

This is a classic Islam prayer directed to allah and NOT to the God/Jehovah of the Bible.

 

[Neb]

Hi Neb, how do we know based on Bible Scriptures if salvation and judgement has come or not? Based on Bible, What do we need to see in order to recognize that the Salvation and Judgement has come?

You would know it right away and there is no way you gonna miss it and it’ll be quick. Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12

1Th 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.

1Th 4:14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

“It is better to be divided by truth than united in error.” – Martin Luther

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You would know it right away and there is no way you gonna miss it and it’ll be quick. Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12

1Th 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.

1Th 4:14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

“It is better to be divided by truth than united in error.” – Martin Luther

Baha'is do not believe in literal interpretation of Rapture.
Shoghi Effendi explained the Bahai interpretation of those verses and how they already have come to pass.

@Tony Bristow-Stagg would know the letter from Shoghi Effendi about those verses.