christainity depends the bible being historic factural

[Thief]

Neither do imaginary friends. Why do you fear death? Now Tell me what would you do if there is no God?



Yeah that's the problem. Seems everything else does.



Do you mean the band or Tim Allen from home improvement?

I see it as inaccurate and little disturbing.

No fear of dying...we all take a turn.

I might suggest you have a fear of surviving your last breath and then.....
dealing with Something Greater than yourself....
in light of any denial you have made thus far.

btw....If no one is in charge after the last breath.....we stand into chaos.
But that much I don't believe.
Perhaps no one in charge would be a description of hell.
However, I do believe in superlatives.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Circular demand for proof....
Faith needs no proving....and I have no religion anyway.

As for sound reason....cause and effect.

The universe is the effect and God is the Cause.

Hmm and here I thought quantum mechanics was raisin questions about cause and effect...though still things can have more than one cause.

 

[Thief]

Hmm and here I thought quantum mechanics was raisin questions about cause and effect...though still things can have more than one cause.

Confused?

At the event of the big bang there would be only One Cause.

 

[yoda89]

No fear of dying...we all take a turn.

I might suggest you have a fear of surviving your last breath and then.....
dealing with Something Greater than yourself....
in light of any denial you have made thus far.

btw....If no one is in charge after the last breath.....we stand into chaos.
But that much I don't believe.
Perhaps no one in charge would be a description of hell.
However, I do believe in superlatives.

You never answered my question. But I wouldn't deal with something better a type 3 civilization is unlikely to communicate with a type 0. Nor store our data. It is also highly unlikely they would communicate by sending one of their own to be butchered on a cross.

We do not stand in chaos if there is no one after last breath. We merely cease to be. I think you fear that without religion the moral fabric of human civilization would cease. Which is very untrue. You scratch my back and I will scratch yours is biological.

So I do not fear death. I fear for humanity. As many of its people cling onto outdated beliefs and ignore rational thought.

 

[Ingledsva]

Circular demand for proof....
Faith needs no proving....and I have no religion anyway.

As for sound reason....cause and effect.

The universe is the effect and God is the Cause.

Invisible men are not cause for anything.

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[Ingledsva]

Confused?

At the event of the big bang there would be only One Cause.

Perhaps just another event horizon meeting with another brane.

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[yoda89]

Confused?

At the event of the big bang there would be only One Cause.

String Theory?

 

[Ingledsva]

String Theory?

We think alike, LOL! :yes:

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[Thief]

String Theory?

Nay....theology.

 

[Thief]

Invisible men are not cause for anything.

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Someone had to be first.
Next question.....Spirit first?

If you say substance first....then all that you are is one massively complex accident....and terminal.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

 

[Ingledsva]

Someone had to be first.
Next question.....Spirit first?

If you say substance first....then all that you are is one massively complex accident....and terminal.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

There is no proof for an invisible man.

And indeed we probably were an accident that has evolved into something quite nifty. LOL.

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[idav]

Someone had to be first.
Next question.....Spirit first?

If you say substance first....then all that you are is one massively complex accident....and terminal.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

Platonic dualism is overrated.

 

[Thief]

There is no proof for an invisible man.

And indeed we probably were an accident that has evolved into something quite nifty. LOL.

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'nifty'...?...did you say?

And you do listen to the news now and then....right?

And asking for proof won't work....hasn't yet.

 

[Thief]

Platonic dualism is overrated.

Your denial is noted.

 

[metis]

At the event of the big bang there would be only One Cause.

I doubt that. Experience generally tells us that just about anything we can think of is involved in a web of cause and effect, so why should we assume the the BB had only a single cause.

 

[sojourner]

I doubt that. Experience generally tells us that just about anything we can think of is involved in a web of cause and effect, so why should we assume the the BB had only a single cause.

A pretty good argument for the Trinity, there.

 

[metis]

A pretty good argument for the Trinity, there.

Probably only if one was polytheistic.

 

[sojourner]

Probably only if one was polytheistic.

Not necessarily. There are three distinct Persons in the Trinity, each one interacting with the others.

 

[metis]

Not necessarily. There are three distinct Persons in the Trinity, each one interacting with the others.

The "mystery of the trinity" was based on the three-in-one concept whereas God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were viewed as being three, yet one. Matter of fact, Christians fought against the idea that they were three "distinct persons", which would be polytheism.

BTW, how do supposedly know there "are" only three?

 

[sojourner]

The "mystery of the trinity" was based on the three-in-one concept whereas God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were viewed as being three, yet one. Matter of fact, Christians fought against the idea that they were three "distinct persons", which would be polytheism.

BTW, how do supposedly know there "are" only three?

Nope. The Trinity was always 3 distinct Persons sharing one Being.

I don't "know." But that's what the doctrine says -- and that's what I'm commenting on. 3 Persons interacting cause the BB. That interaction = one Being, and the BB = creation.