christainity depends the bible being historic factural

[Ingledsva]

You don't seem to understand what I am saying.

1.The Hebrew expected a messiah with certain prophecies.
2. The Christian story wants us to believe Jesus is real - and THE PROPHESIED MESSIAH.
3. If so he has to fit the prophecies of BOTH Spiritual and Warrior King.
4. We know that we don't have all of the stories about him, but that is beside the point - as they try to fulfill the prophesy by having him a Spiritual King on earth - and coming back as the sword in hand warrior King.

1. I understand the confusion.
The Jews wanted a king on earth....Judea on high.
The early Christians wanted the same....but without the Pharisees or Romans in charge.

And here we are centuries later still kicking the idea back and forth.

Of Himself He did say....brother and fellow servant.
And He never wanted a crown on His head.
And He told His disciples the kingdom is not of this world.

2. I suppose....you are seeking judgment?
Would that be for you?
Or unto all others that do not agree?

1. There is no confusion - what I said is correct.

2. You seem to be confusing me with a Christian. I'm not.

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[allright]

But we don't actually know that Jesus said any of those things. We only know that authors writing decades after his death, who had never met him, report that he said these things.

hogwash

 

[fantome profane]

hogwash

Is it really?

 

[Thief]

1. There is no confusion - what I said is correct.

2. You seem to be confusing me with a Christian. I'm not.

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More confusion....and I don't use the label either.

Are we agreed?.....He is not a king.

And judgment falls to all that stand from the dust.
I believe the angels will be there waiting and watching.

 

[gilligan8914]

hogwash

Thats the exact word that people who have made a historical study of the bible use to describe what they find!

 

[fantome profane]

Thats the exact word that people who have made a historical study of the bible use to describe what they find!

Is it really?

I find that fascinating. Could you give us the name of a historical scholar who has made an in depth study of the Bible who uses a word like "hogwash" to describe it?

Just because something is not completely historically accurate does not make it hogwash. No one who has really studied the Bible can honestly say it is accurate or even internally consistent. But no one who has studied the Bible in as serious scholarly way could ever describe it as "hogwash" either.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But we don't actually know that Jesus said any of those things. We only know that authors writing decades after his death, who had never met him, report that he said these things.

hogwash

No - just an uncomfortable truth. But, if you close your eyes and stomp your feet maybe - just maybe - it will go away.

 

[gilligan8914]

I did.

 

[yoda89]

[youtube]XKAHoYCWXF8[/youtube]
The Evolution of Jesus in the Bible - YouTube

 

[kjw47]

Is it really?

I find that fascinating. Could you give us the name of a historical scholar who has made an in depth study of the Bible who uses a word like "hogwash" to describe it?

Just because something is not completely historically accurate does not make it hogwash. No one who has really studied the Bible can honestly say it is accurate or even internally consistent. But no one who has studied the Bible in as serious scholarly way could ever describe it as "hogwash" either.

Some translations contain many errors--they are way out of harmony with the teachings of Jesus.
But those in the light can see the events of Daniel-revelation, passing before our eyes, but as Jesus taught--As in the days of Noah, the world took no note, Why? because they were not in the light. teachers of darkness crept in and formed the great apostasy. Gods word is not hogwash--mistranslating of it can be though.

 

[gilligan8914]

OK. Which version is not mistranslated? I must have overlooked it.

 

[kjw47]

OK. Which version is not mistranslated? I must have overlooked it.

The one in harmony with the teachings of Jesus--The new world translation.

 

[gilligan8914]

No offense intended. Just another "translation" that has been changed to conform to a particular sect or a particular belief. Lots of those out there. Neither historical nor accurate.

 

[fantome profane]

Some translations contain many errors--they are way out of harmony with the teachings of Jesus.
But those in the light can see the events of Daniel-revelation, passing before our eyes, but as Jesus taught--As in the days of Noah, the world took no note, Why? because they were not in the light. teachers of darkness crept in and formed the great apostasy. Gods word is not hogwash--mistranslating of it can be though.

People have been saying this for centuries.

 

[Ingledsva]

More confusion....and I don't use the label either.

Are we agreed?.....He is not a king.

NO, they obviously thought of him as a King. They call him such in many verses - some of which I have shown.

And judgment falls to all that stand from the dust.
I believe the angels will be there waiting and watching.

Not a Christian - and don't believe in angels - especially "waiting" angels.

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[kjw47]

No offense intended. Just another "translation" that has been changed to conform to a particular sect or a particular belief. Lots of those out there. Neither historical nor accurate.

the nwt is in harmony. Gods harmony.

 

[Thief]

Not a Christian - and don't believe in angels - especially "waiting" angels.

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Well...He didn't go along with it.

As for Angels.....top of the line life form are we?
Not expecting anything greater?

No afterlife at all?

 

[Ingledsva]

Not a Christian - and don't believe in angels - especially "waiting" angels.

Well...He didn't go along with it.

As for Angels.....top of the line life form are we?
Not expecting anything greater?

No afterlife at all?

As I said - I am not a Christian.

Also I do not believe ANY religion is from God/Gods.

I do not know if there - IS - or IS NOT - a Deity.

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[Ingledsva]

the nwt is in harmony. Gods harmony.

Personal opinion - no proof.


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[Thief]

As I said - I am not a Christian.

Also I do not believe ANY religion is from God/Gods.

I do not know if there - IS - or IS NOT - a Deity.

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Believe in the afterlife?