"Christian Nationalism is Not Christianity"

[Twilight Hue]

I'd recommend watching that video for more details, as well as reading that article. It gets into the founding of the nation, and how Christian Nationalism misrepresents the role of Christianity in the founding of this nation. From a theological perspective as well, it's really not that fuzzy a line. They are really opposites. Two different species of animal.

It's kind of obvious considering people were wanting to get away from the centralized political arm of the Church of England.

 

[Father Heathen]

They are? I don't see a lot of Christians in positions of power. And they are generally the ones who fight for liberty.

Opposition towards gay marriage? Overturning Roe vs. Wade? Attempting to ban books? Disregarding the separation of church and state? Disregarding and denying science? Republicans - especially evangelicals - have been pushing a theocratic agenda for decades. They abhor the 1st amendment, particularly the establishment clause thereof.

 

[Father Heathen]

They are? I don't see a lot of Christians in positions of power. And they are generally the ones who fight for liberty.

Also, the vast majority of politicians in the U.S. identify as Christian. Those that don't have a much tougher time.

 

[Truth in love]

False equivalency, again.

Any evidence for that?

 

[Father Heathen]

It also happens a lot under secular governments. There's a lot of Christian persecution in China for example. Christianity becoming an official religion has not always been so great, mainly because power corrupts. In some cases, the church itself was persecuting the real Christians, because they wanted to read the Bible themselves and such.

They also persecute Muslims and Buddhists.

I wouldn't compare communist China to western secular states that value freedom and democracy.

 

[Father Heathen]

Any evidence for that?

Which first world democracy do you consider an oppressive regime?

 

[Truth in love]

Which first world democracy do you consider an oppressive regime?

Most as they deny basic human rights.

 

[Father Heathen]

Most as they deny basic human rights.

What such crimes have been committed against their own citizens by modern day western European nations?

 

[Truth in love]

What such crimes have been committed against their own citizens by modern day western European nations?

Vaccine mandates, denial of freedom or movement and freedom of speech. M sure we dig up more but that should be a good start.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nationalists tend to be Dominionists. They think that America was founded as a Christian nation and want Christianity to be the only religion that gets recognition from the government.

Yup. That's because they believe only their religion is real, with some taking that to mean they are the only ones with religion; everybody else follows cults, satanism, witchcraft and demons. It's gets so bad it's not uncommon if they believe the pre-Christian Pagans were devil worshippers because they didn't worship Jehovah which means they could only be worshipping the devil.

 

[Father Heathen]

Vaccine mandates, denial of freedom or movement and freedom of speech. M sure we dig up more but that should be a good start.

I haven't heard any of our European RF members mention or complain about any of this.

 

[Truth in love]

I haven't heard any of our European RF members mention or complain about any of this.

No Christian Nationalist is complaining about the victories of their group. So still looking for that evidence.

 

[Father Heathen]

No Christian Nationalist is complaining about the victories of their group. So still looking for that evidence.

Why would Christian Nationalists complain about their own victories?

 

[Truth in love]

Why would Christian Nationalists complain about their own victories?

My point exactly.
This site skews Left/Athirst at least in terms of active posters. So Socialist abusing human rights won’t draw a lot of gripes from socialists who want to abuse those rights in that way.

In short you’ve presented 0 evidence on this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's generally from Muslim nations. It seems that Christianity and Islam want to fight to see who is the big dog in the world. The Jews don't seem to have as much pugilism in their views.

Muslims, Romans and Danes. And also other Christians. That last one flairs up NASTY when the Church and State are merged.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's kind of obvious considering people were wanting to get away from the centralized political arm of the Church of England.

It was more they were wanting to get away from a society that found them looney and too unreasonable rigid in their religious adherence. Seriously, they were disliked enough it that John Milton made an allusion to it in Paradise Lost.
In the end they were escaping being held accountable for their ways that made it difficult to get along with others, their views so demented and twisted that they got kicked out of their home and butchered those who helped them survive in their new home. They weren't very good people, to say the least.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Opposition towards gay marriage? Overturning Roe vs. Wade? Attempting to ban books? Disregarding the separation of church and state? Disregarding and denying science? Republicans - especially evangelicals - have been pushing a theocratic agenda for decades. They abhor the 1st amendment, particularly the establishment clause thereof.

In your dreams. The conservatives are the ones who uphold the constitution while the liberals try to gut it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But there has been plenty of times in history when Christians were the underdogs, persecuted and killed for their faith and it's still happening in many parts of the world.

And there were even more times when the opposite occurred. Christianity largely spread by the sword, just as Islam did. And once in power those "Christian nations" tended to force their citizens to drop their old beliefs and pick up a new one. That it happened to Christians in the past is never an excuse for them to do the same to others. It should be used as an argument not to do what others did to them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In your dreams. The conservatives are the ones who uphold the constitution while the liberals try to gut it.

Not true. You may not understand the Constitution. Many do not. t is so odd that those on the right so often want the Constitution to be followed as the founders wrote it, except when it goes against their beliefs. The phrase "wall of separation between church and state" is not in the Bill of Right. That is true. But it was in a letter written by the author of that Amendment when he was explaining its purpose. It is funny how the Supreme Court just ignored that.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And there were even more times when the opposite occurred. Christianity largely spread by the sword, just as Islam did. And once in power those "Christian nations" tended to force their citizens to drop their old beliefs and pick up a new one. That it happened to Christians in the past is never an excuse for them to do the same to others. It should be used as an argument not to do what others did to them.

" Do unto others as you would have them do to you." Anyone spreading "Christianity" by force was not following Christ at all, but only using his name to push their own agenda. As I said before, power corrupts, which is why a religion enforced by the government is never a good idea.
Following Christ isn't even a religion at it's core, BTW...it's not a set of rituals done to placate God. When it becomes that, it loses its power.