Again... I'm a NT type of person... you know, pray and love your enemies?It's not a personal issue. That is factually what the Bible says, and it's obviously fundamentally incompatible with the First Amendment.
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Again... I'm a NT type of person... you know, pray and love your enemies?It's not a personal issue. That is factually what the Bible says, and it's obviously fundamentally incompatible with the First Amendment.
Actually, @Policy clearly referenced conservatives.I guess you are talking about democrats? Because they were the ones pushing slavery to continue.
Without an OT there is no NT.Again... I'm a NT type of person... you know, pray and love your enemies?
It's not my job nor my responsibility to overcome your ignorance and bias against religion. That's YOUR job, and your responsibility. The fact that you want to fight about it instead of ask questions and learn tells me that you aren't going to take on that responsibility. Religion is not the cause of it's abuse. Neither are politics or commerce. The cause of their abuse is human nature. And in fact, religion and politics were developed to try and mitigate that abuse. Though they often fail and become the instruments of it. If you don't want to see that then nothing I say will open your eyes....not only do you fail to support your position on the topic,, but you don't even address the topic.
No one is, because these are insignificant blips in U. S. history.I'll assume you've never heard of Jonathan Edwards, and aren't too familiar with the American Great Revival around the mid-to-late 19th century.
That's not really true, though. "Sola Scriptura" began when Guttenburg invented the printing press and Christians were finally able to obtain and read the Bible for themselves. The "voice of God" moved from the priest's mouths to the printed text. And biblical literalism has been around ever since. Because the average uneducated Joe wasn't able to grasp the idea of metaphor, and symbolism, and cultural mythology going in within the texts they were reading. Just as they are still not able to grasp it, because our basic educational system in the U. S. is so pathetically weak. It's the main reason why the U.S. is currently still so given to the resentment of science and fear-driven superstitions compared to other nations. They simply offer their people a far better basic education than we do.That event especially had tremendous influence on shaping Christianity in America into mess it is today (such as promoting Sola Scriptura, Biblical literalism, pre-Tribulation rapture, and superstitions of god punishing a nation for sin). If it weren't for these today there would be no controversy between science and Christianity, they wouldn't care about the gays and they'd wouldn't be so deluded as to think a plain reading of the Bible is all one needs in life, and they'd probably be less focused on hell, damnation and punishment.
Non-believers burn in a lake of fire. Eternal torture.Again... I'm a NT type of person... you know, pray and love your enemies?
Are you sure it's wise of you to exalt these men as exemplary examples of the Christian faith and as a champion for freedom?
I understand you haven't studied the scriptures.Without an OT there is no NT.
We can find all types of quotes:
"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty...
"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
-Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
Founding father John Jay: “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers”
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the whole of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded.” ~ James Madison
“Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land.” ~ James Monroe
“Finally, it is my most fervent prayer to that Almighty Being before whom I now stand, and who has kept us in His hands from the infancy of our Republic unto the present day, that He will so overrule all my intentions and actions and inspire the hearts of my fellow-citizens that we may be preserved from dangers of all kinds and continue forever a united and happy people.” ~ Andrew Jackson
Very Christian IMV
Non-believers burn in a lake of fire. Eternal torture.
How do you feel ISIS should be dealt with?
Yes, they wisely excluded religious testingWe can find lots of quotes! But it comes down to the majority of the folks who formed our government voting on a system that excluded Christian language, excluded religious testing for the leaders, and set up a barrier in the 1st Amendment between church and state.
The quoted Principles of Christianity appear to refer to Principles that can be generally considered a part of many religious and philosophical systems. Nowhere is Christ invoked in our Constitution. The quote is from letters between him and Jefferson when they were having a bit of a lover's tiff, and even Jefferson appears to be arguing these Principles guided the Founding Fathers. Jefferson was clearly on the separation team, however. He is the one that originally coined "separation of church and state. "
So to circle back to original question, how do you define the folks who want an overtly Christian government in America? Those folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert who want to require religious tests and want the church to direct the government?
Christian nationalism makes sense to me as a term be cause it evokes a sense of identifying one's country primarily with a religious identity.
It's a dangerous notion. Time and again, when any religion mixes with politics, the results are bad.
You didn't understand what I said. The leaders of the Catholic church of that time had access to the written word... the people didn't. The leaders could then manipulate the people to do what they wanted, because the people didn't know what the scriptures actually said... Such as salvation by faith. The church even required indulgences be paid for getting the souls of relatives out of limbo, a place that is never mentioned in Scripture.Oh my God!! That is the funniest excuse ever! You are not following this so you can't read it. Now that makes all kinds of sense
Sorry, but your Christianity is just another religion. It is not much better or much worse than the rest of them.
It sounds like you are a Paulist. Remember what Jesus said about those laws, not one jot or tittle.I understand you haven't studied the scriptures.
i am of the faith of Abraham and not of the law of Moses which was for the Jewish nation.
I don't see any Republicans advocating for segregation, just the opposite, that's the liberals.That was in the past. And it was not accurate. The Democrats used to be the party of racial abuse and hatred. That is true. But for some odd reason things switched around in the 1960's. Perhaps it was the influence of JFK even after the died. He had a vision for America that included equality. And perhaps the Republicans abandoned there past support of civil rights because of that. It is hard to say why and how the Republicans went from being the good guys when it came to equality to the bad guys.
Actually you did not understand what you wrote. You might have meant to say that but you didn't.You didn't understand what I said. The leaders of the Catholic church of that time had access to the written word... the people didn't. The leaders could then manipulate the people to do what they wanted, because the people didn't know what the scriptures actually said... Such as salvation by faith. The church even required indulgences be paid for getting the souls of relatives out of limbo, a place that is never mentioned in Scripture.
And how would you know what each individual follower of Christ was doing? You don't.If that is your criteria, then none of you are real.
Really? Citation needed.I don't see any Republicans advocating for segregation, just the opposite, that's the liberals.
Today's liberals are actually pushing for segregation again.Comparing the modern Democratic party to the one circa 1800's is dopey and disingenuous.
Do you think those that fly the Confederate flag today vote democrat? Why are most of the southern states 'red'?
Not scripture.Some say baptism is a prerequisite for salvation.
Today's liberals are actually pushing for segregation again.
Cal State Los Angeles, the University of Connecticut, UC Davis, and UC Berkeley, among others, offer racially segregated housing for black students, in the name of diversity.
What kind of insanity is this, to suppose that reverse racism is a good thing?