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[Archer]

This is nothing more than you claiming that anyone who does something that does not fit into your Christianity concept is not a Christian.

For this claim to have any validity you first have to prove that your Christian concept is the one and only correct Christian concept.

Back it up friend. Show me anywhere on the New Testament that condones tyrannical actions! Please show me. I already have my victims picked out, at least the first thousand or so.

Crap that's right you cant show me that; it ain't there. You constantly come up with well you don't share their view crap and they may interpret this or that differently, I say show me. Show me where the killing of people is condoned. Show me where invasion of other lands is promoted in the NT. Show me something or I must dismiss your words as spittle on the breeze spreading an infection.

 

[waitasec]

Back it up friend. Show me anywhere on the New Testament that condones tyrannical actions! Please show me. I already have my victims picked out, at least the first thousand or so.

Crap that's right you cant show me that; it ain't there. You constantly come up with well you don't share their view crap and they may interpret this or that differently, I say show me. Show me where the killing of people is condoned. Show me where invasion of other lands is promoted in the NT. Show me something or I must dismiss your words as spittle on the breeze spreading an infection.

if i may,
the concept of hell came up in the NT not the OT for starters.
this faith in jesus is a celestial dictatorship. salvation from death, or hell, is based on faith. without faith you are damned. now is that really a choice or an ultimatum?
this idea of death as the fork in the road and choosing which way to go is the final demand, the rejection of which leads a compelling action by the deity presenting the ultimatum. there is no choice, it's tyranny by using fear as a tool for control.

 

[McBell]

I thought the merit could be found in the bible but obviously you dont think that the bible has much to do with the definition of a Christian act.

Merely claiming that the Bible agrees with you is not showing how your Christianity concept is the one and only true Christianity concept.

Nice try though.

I tell you what...Youre worrying me.

I have no idea why.

You have more in common with the perpatrators of torture and murder than any Christian that I have ever met.

Yet another unsubstantiated claim.

They insisted that murder and torture is a teaching of Christianity,

Did they actually make this claim or are you merely making assumptions?

you insist that torture and murder is a teaching of Christianity.

When did I make this claim?
Either show the post where I made the claim or revoke your bold faced lie.

For the first time in my life I am hoping that you dont ever tell me that you are a Christian (atleast while your still so confused about it anyway).

What difference would it make?
I mean, honestly, if you for one second think I do not fit into your Christianity concept you will claim I am not a Christian any way.

 

[McBell]

Back it up friend. Show me anywhere on the New Testament that condones tyrannical actions! Please show me. I already have my victims picked out, at least the first thousand or so.

Crap that's right you cant show me that; it ain't there. You constantly come up with well you don't share their view crap and they may interpret this or that differently, I say show me. Show me where the killing of people is condoned. Show me where invasion of other lands is promoted in the NT. Show me something or I must dismiss your words as spittle on the breeze spreading an infection.

That is not my argument.
Though your strawman is cute.

 

[Archer]

if i may,
the concept of hell came up in the NT not the OT for starters.
this faith in jesus is a celestial dictatorship. salvation from death, or hell, is based on faith. without faith you are damned. now is that really a choice or an ultimatum?
this idea of death as the fork in the road and choosing which way to go is the final demand, the rejection of which leads a compelling action by the deity presenting the ultimatum. there is no choice, it's tyranny by using fear as a tool for control.

Okay that is not an answer to my post. Was it meant to be?

That is not my argument.
Though your strawman is cute.

You claim that it was a differing view yet you can't even back any of it up. Sir mine is not a strawman it is your false logic.

 

[tomarnold]

MORE then 2/3 of the world think the christian religion is a joke.

many of the christians themselves know the bible is not the word of god nor was it ment to be taken literally.

Jesus Himself taught that the Word of God is the absolute Word of God, saying "the Scripture cannot be broken". Therefore it would be obvious to be a Christ follower you would need to believe the Word.

It is not correct in its teaching.

Give examples.

It is not a history book and the fables were never ment to be read that way.

It is "God breathed" and "cannot be broken" according to it's own claims- so yes it is meant to be taken as historically accurate.

 

[Archer]

It is "God breathed" and "cannot be broken" according to it's own claims- so yes it is meant to be taken as historically accurate.

If you feel that way that is good but I see the truth in the old Books more than the facts. Yes many can and should be taken literally but the message is more important than any facts.

The flood for example: Shows Gods disdain for wickedness, the plagues of Egypt show Gods resolve.

Fact or not; it is irrelevant, the message is what is important. I am not saying I believe one way or the other but I only need to see the truths; if there is a provable factual base then even better.

 

[BIG D]

Galileo was a Biblical literalist and showed that his observations in Astronomy were confirmed in the Bible.

BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT!

Galileo wasn't proving Christianity wrong, he was proving Papal infallibility! Learn some history please!

so he was right, and they punished him???..come on, the church has been wrong in its ways at some point, no one can deny that...I'm speaking in general terms MR KNOW IT ALL PERFECT ONE!!!

 

[ellenjanuary]

Back it up friend. Show me anywhere on the New Testament that condones tyrannical actions! Please show me. I already have my victims picked out, at least the first thousand or so.

Crap that's right you cant show me that; it ain't there. You constantly come up with well you don't share their view crap and they may interpret this or that differently, I say show me. Show me where the killing of people is condoned. Show me where invasion of other lands is promoted in the NT. Show me something or I must dismiss your words as spittle on the breeze spreading an infection.

What is Matthew 24:14 but license to invade other lands? Not only on the epic, political landscape; but in neighborhoods? Preacher keep coming to my door, I just might have to kill, and it is condoned. Just for most that license is caught up in the double-speak of Revelations.

 

[tomarnold]

If you feel that way that is good but I see the truth in the old Books more than the facts. Yes many can and should be taken literally but the message is more important than any facts.

The flood for example: Shows Gods disdain for wickedness, the plagues of Egypt show Gods resolve.

Fact or not; it is irrelevant, the message is what is important. I am not saying I believe one way or the other but I only need to see the truths; if there is a provable factual base then even better.

There is actually substantial evidence for the flood, and it is written as a truth, talked about as a literal event by Jesus Himself- and thus should be taken literally. I know you did not necessarily even express your personal view, but I thought I should make that point.

In reality there has been example after example of Biblical events that people have said are not historically true based on evidence, only to be proved wrong.

They said Nebuchadnezzar was fictional, now we have literally thousands of bricks with his inscription, as one example.
They said there was no census around Jesus birth, and we now have evidence of that.


Ultimately people need to believe in the Gospel of the Son of God who literally died, was buried, and literally resurrected from the dead on the third day. This is what will save a soul from death.

 

[Archer]

What is Matthew 24:14 but license to invade other lands? Not only on the epic, political landscape; but in neighborhoods? Preacher keep coming to my door, I just might have to kill, and it is condoned. Just for most that license is caught up in the double-speak of Revelations.

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.


Context not one liners please.


Who is being put to death?

 

[tomarnold]

What is Matthew 24:14 but license to invade other lands? Not only on the epic, political landscape; but in neighborhoods? Preacher keep coming to my door, I just might have to kill, and it is condoned.

Preaching and sharing the message of Christ has nothing to do with invading other lands.

Preacher keep coming to my door, I just might have to kill, and it is condoned.

Ok so if someone comes to your door desiring to share their faith with you in a peacable manner, you may have to kill him? And also you consider this condoned? By who is it condoned?

 

[ellenjanuary]

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.


Context not one liners please.


Who is being put to death?

Context don't bring those fools to my door, one-liners do.

 

[Archer]

Context don't bring those fools to my door, one-liners do.

Then are they Christians or nut's? Have you asked them to not bother you?

 

[ellenjanuary]

Preaching and sharing the message of Christ has nothing to do with invading other lands.



Ok so if someone comes to your door desiring to share their faith with you in a peacable manner, you may have to kill him? And also you consider this condoned? By who is it condoned?

Because they are not "speaking prophecy in my name" and thus should be "stoned to death.' And how the **** can you honestly tell me "preaching and sharing the message of Christ has nothing to do with invading other lands?" Care to explain to me, then, how it came to pass, this Irish boy, sitting here in Navajo land?

 

[ellenjanuary]

Then are they Christians or nut's? Have you asked them to not bother you?

No need, on the individual level. One dose of ellen, good enough for a lifetime.

Others come. The worst was the preacher who insisted that "we must speak of hell," and "what will happen when you die;" after I told this chump - born again in spirit means that eternal life is now. Guy just wanted to spread hate, and I just wanted to thump him.

 

[tomarnold]

Because they are not "speaking prophecy in my name" and thus should be "stoned to death.'

What do you mean? Not every person preaching the Gospel are speaking prophetically. And heretics are to be rebuked and disregarded by the New Testament church, not stoned.

And how the **** can you honestly tell me "preaching and sharing the message of Christ has nothing to do with invading other lands?" Care to explain to me, then, how it came to pass, this Irish boy, sitting here in Navajo land?

Where in that text in Matthew 24 did it say anything about invading anything with physical force? The history of the USA is not a chapter and verse of the Bible, and therefore would open an entirely different debate.

 

[ellenjanuary]

What do you mean? Not every person preaching the Gospel are speaking prophetically. And heretics are to be rebuked and disregarded by the New Testament church, not stoned.



Where in that text in Matthew 24 did it say anything about invading anything with physical force? The history of the USA is not a chapter and verse of the Bible, and therefore would open an entirely different debate.

You are equivocating.

The atheist within speaks! But what has happened is this. I don't even accept an historical Jesus; but being born again in spirit to become, in essence, the living Christ is a beautiful thing. You may think one such as I expresses intolerable arrogance using such words, but in the real world; I don't have to say a dang thing. Everybody assumes I'm Christian, and in a good way. I would just think that those "who are called to minister" would be a little more enlightened, a little more loving; but I find the opposite to be the case.

 

[Archer]

No need, on the individual level. One dose of ellen, good enough for a lifetime.

Others come. The worst was the preacher who insisted that "we must speak of hell," and "what will happen when you die;" after I told this chump - born again in spirit means that eternal life is now. Guy just wanted to spread hate, and I just wanted to thump him.

Hey they come to my house I will invite them in and beat them with their own Bible Sometimes people need be shown the err or their ways.

 

[waitasec]

well lets see here, you wanted proof that the NT condones tyrannical actions.

Show me anywhere on the New Testament that condones tyrannical actions! Please show me. I already have my victims picked out, at least the first thousand or so.

so i did...

if i may,
the concept of hell came up in the NT not the OT for starters.
this faith in jesus is a celestial dictatorship. salvation from death, or hell, is based on faith. without faith you are damned. now is that really a choice or an ultimatum?
this idea of death as the fork in the road and choosing which way to go is the final demand, the rejection of which leads a compelling action by the deity presenting the ultimatum. there is no choice, it's tyranny by using fear as a tool for control.

Okay that is not an answer to my post. Was it meant to be?

sure it is.
yes it was meant to be.

furthermore, in luke jesus says in a parable that a servant will receive many blows for disobeying his master...if that is not condoning slavery and the treatment of slaves is to be subjected to torture, then jesus was not condemning the act either...