Christians and Jews Who Sanction Homosexual Sex

[columbus]

I can post many but lets start with just one example.

In the US the 4% of us that are homosexual create over 60% of new aids cases.

What does that have to do with lesbians, among whom AIDS is virtually nonexistent?
Tom

 

[1robin]

So I take it that you are pro-marriage equality then.

How did you find me within a few hours of my first post in weeks?

I am going to give you one last chance to be civil and effective, I hope you don't waste the opportunity.

I have no idea what you mean by marriage equality, my post was about the destruction of homosexuality, not marriage.

 

[columbus]

Lets start with one simplistic example. According to the CDC the 4% of us in the US that are homosexuals create over 60% of new aids cases.

Given that STDs, including AIDS, are spread through irresponsible sex the simplest way to reduce AIDS would be encouraging responsible sexual behavior like marriage. Even amongst gay people.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

How did you find me within a few hours of my first post in weeks?

I am going to give you one last chance to be civil and effective, I hope you don't waste the opportunity.

I have no idea what you mean by marriage equality, my post was about the destruction of homosexuality, not marriage.

Just lucky I guess.


I have always been civil and effective. Are you sure that you are not projecting your flaws upon others?

And why would you want to do something so immoral as to destroy homosexuality? You mentioned the number of homosexuals in the U.S. that acquire AIDS, if one can think logically then it follows that you would be for gay marriage.

ETA: Also it is a slow night. Not too many posters to respond to.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Lets start with one simplistic example. According to the CDC the 4% of us in the US that are homosexuals create over 60% of new aids cases.

Is it your contention then that being from a group with a higher incidence of disease than another implies secular immorality? Please answer directly.

 

[Skwim]

1robin and I have been around this block a couple of times.
He will refuse to agree that sex has any value unless it's procreating. Nor will he see basic facts, like the vast majority of AIDS victims are heterosexuals.
Tom

I recognized it for the bait it was.

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[Skwim]

Lets start with one simplistic example. According to the CDC the 4% of us in the US that are homosexuals create over 60% of new aids cases.

Okay.

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[Kangaroo Feathers]

Given that STDs, including AIDS, are spread through irresponsible sex the simplest way to reduce AIDS would be encouraging responsible sexual behavior like marriage. Even amongst gay people.
Tom

HIV transmission among lesbians is virtually unknown. There are also a bunch of genetic conditions that only men can get, too, so by the "higher likelihood of disease indicates social undesirability" paradigm, men are in a lot of trouble.

But then, given woman are the only group that gets ovarian, uterine and cervical cancer, I guess they're in trouble too.

Shall we tackle race specific incidence of disease next?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is it your contention then that being from a group with a higher incidence of disease than another implies secular immorality? Please answer directly.

Obviously only homosexual men are immoral. That's a good thing. I am not a huge fan, but I don't mind watching a little girl on girl action.

 

[columbus]

I recognized it for the bait it was.

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I started to just ignore him.
But it occurred to me that it's been awhile since I dismantled his arguments and there are lots of new RF members.
Tom

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What does that have to do with lesbians, among whom AIDS is virtually nonexistent?
Tom

Having been in very similar discussions previously, I predict the tl;dr of the response to this point will be "but that's DIFFERENT! !!"

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Obviously only homosexual men are immoral. That's a good thing. I am not a huge fan, but I don't mind watching a little girl on girl action.

I doubt there's any particular sub group of the population that ISN'T more predisposed to some condition than others, frankly. I've had similar discussions in the past, I'm yet to hear a reasonable justification for why increased predisposition makes gay people bad, but no other group.

 

[Skwim]

I started to just ignore him.
But it occurred to me that it's been awhile since I dismantled his arguments and there are lots of new RF members.
Tom

Good for you then.

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[Kangaroo Feathers]

Okay.

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Also, that CDC stat is highly US specific. Off the top of my head I don't recall the exact percentage, but in sub Saharan Africa, where HIV/AIDS is far more of a problem, HIV transmission is mostly a heterosexual phenomenon.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Also, that CDC stat is highly US specific. Off the top of my head I don't recall the exact percentage, but in sub Saharan Africa, where HIV/AIDS is far more of a problem, HIV transmission is mostly a heterosexual phenomenon.

A few factors enter in. First certain sex acts are at a much higher risk than others. Second there my be some truth behind the claim that circumcision helps lower the rate of spreading AIDS, though I have heard that claim is now in doubt. And lastly different economics in Africa and it appears a different strain of AIDS. There may be more factors.

 

[columbus]

Having been in very similar discussions previously, I predict the tl;dr of the response to this point will be "but that's DIFFERENT! !!"

He'll bring up other stuff, like higher rates of domestic abuse among lesbians than straight women. And their statistically lower lifespans and higher suicide rates.
Trust me, I've known 1robin for years.

To me, the bottom line is that there are in fact higher levels of many dysfunctional behaviors among gay people. What self righteous people like 1robin refuse to see is that it isn't because they're gay. It's because of the damage done by living in a homophobic world. A world that people like him help maintain. He is the problem, not sexual orientation.
Tom

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

A few factors enter in. First certain sex acts are at a much higher risk than others. Second there my be some truth behind the claim that circumcision helps lower the rate of spreading AIDS, though I have heard that claim is now in doubt. And lastly different economics in Africa and it appears a different strain of AIDS. There may be more factors.

Quite. Just as there are many factors behind the statistics of transmission in the US. My point was that making grand sweeping moral statements based on a local situation, especially without taking said factors into account, and without applying the same logic across the board, is blind authoritarian scapegoating.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

He'll bring up other stuff, like higher rates of domestic abuse among lesbians than straight women. And their statistically lower lifespans and higher suicide rates.
Trust me, I've known 1robin for years.

To me, the bottom line is that there are in fact higher levels of many dysfunctional behaviors among gay people. What self righteous people like 1robin refuse to see is that it isn't because they're gay. It's because of the damage done by living in a homophobic world. A world that people like him help maintain. He is the problem, not sexual orientation.
Tom

Oh, of course there'll be goal post shifting. And then when you point to other dysfunctions with higher incidence among other groups, the goals will shift again. I've played before. Different players, same tactics.

 

[1robin]

Just lucky I guess.

Ok.

I have always been civil and effective. Are you sure that you are not projecting your flaws upon others?

Your an emotional bomb looking for a match.

And why would you want to do something so immoral as to destroy homosexuality?

You are really one for the books. What on earth are you talking about? I didn't say anything about destroying anything.

You mentioned the number of homosexuals in the U.S. that acquire AIDS, if one can think logically then it follows that you would be for gay marriage.

No I didn't, please go back and review.

ETA: Also it is a slow night. Not too many posters to respond to.

Now this I actually get.

 

[1robin]

Is it your contention then that being from a group with a higher incidence of disease than another implies secular immorality? Please answer directly.

No, lets go back again.

1. Homosexuality kills people and costs billions and has nothing by which it justifies this cost.

2. Heterosexuality kills people and costs billions but is required to perpetuate the human race and sustain a traditional family unit.

One is justifiable where as the other isn't.