Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[Estro Felino]

As it happens, my last trip to Rome, a couple of years ago, I stopped by the Great Synagogue for the evening services, and was halted outside the fence by armed guards, who wouldn't let me in until I had spoken with one of the known members of the synagogue (in Hebrew, since he didn't know English and I didn't know Italian) and had convinced him I was a Jew who just wanted to pray. Why the fear? They had been persistently vandalized and their members harrassed by local anti-Semites, mostly in the guise of Christian anti-Judaism....

wow...the Synagogue is for Jews. Those guys just wanted to be sure you were a Jew. what's wrong with that?

In fact I've never wanted to enter there because I'm not Jewish

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, so what. There are lots of things "1 mile away from the Vatican". including toilets.

yeah...I just wanted to underline that we Italians and particularly we Catholics, live peacefully with other religious minorities.
Unlike in some other country, where they kill each other from sunrise to sunset

 

[Flankerl]

wow...the Synagogue is for Jews. Those guys just wanted to be sure you were a Jew. what's wrong with that?

Yes the police just happens to be the bouncer of Synagogues in Europe. You know they just happen to be that nice because there is nothing else going on.

Stop being so naive.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes the police just happens to be the bouncer of Synagogues in Europe. You know they just happen to be that nice because there is nothing else going on.

Stop being so naive.

Honestly, I don't care about the rest of Europe. I was speaking of the Italian Jews. It deals with people who have a cosmopolitan and not absolutely nationalistic vision of the world, and this video shows that Italian Jews do not identify with Israel and the Israelis.
(sorry...it's in Italian...but I swear it to God that it is about that)

 

[Flankerl]

Honestly, I don't care about the rest of Europe. I was speaking of the Italian Jews. It deals with people who have a cosmopolitan and not absolutely nationalistic vision of the world, and this video shows that Italian Jews do not identify with Israel and the Israelis.
(sorry...it's in Italian...but I swear it to God that it is about that)

So the Italian Police really has nothing else going on and just happens to stay "guard" in front of the Synagogue?
Do they also control who's allowed to enter at the Churches and Mosques? No? I wonder why.

You wrote yourself that you've never even set foot into a Synagogue. Perhaps you should try to talk to an Italian Rabbi about how it's going for him and his congregation in Italy. You know like Levite did.
Perhaps you might actually learn something new about your country.

 

[Estro Felino]

So the Italian Police really has nothing else going on and just happens to stay "guard" in front of the Synagogue?
Do they also control who's allowed to enter at the Churches and Mosques? No? I wonder why.

the synagogue was built by the Italian government in 1870, and Italians have never bothered the Jews. In 1982 a commando of Palestinians attacked the Synagogue.
so if you want to blame someone for the security measures, blame the Palestinians.
1982 Great Synagogue of Rome attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Flankerl]

Honey...the synagogue was built by the Italian government in 1870, and Italians have never bothered the Jews. In 1982 a commando of Palestinians attacked the Synagogue.
so if you want to blame someone for the security measures, blame the Palestinians.
1982 Great Synagogue of Rome attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My country has nothing to do with a land where people kill one another from sunset to sunrise

• March 31, 2002 - Modena - Antisemitic graffiti and swastikas were found on the synagogue in Modena.[25]
• July 17, 2002 - Rome- 40 graves were desecrated in the Jewish section of the Verano cemetery.[25]
• March 9, 2003 – Milan – Antisemitic graffiti ("RAI for Italians, no to Jews") appeared on the office of the RAI, after a journalist of Jewish origin was named director.[26]
• January 27, 2005 - Rome - Antisemitic graffiti reading "60 years of lies, Juden Raus" (Jews Out) was spray-painted on the outside wall of a Catholic church in central Rome.[27]
• May 15, 2006 – Milan – 40 Jewish graves were desecrated, and five destroyed, at a Jewish cemetery in the outskirts of Milan.[28]
• July 10, 2006 – Rome – Neo-fascists vandalized the Jewish quarter of Rome with swastikas and other antisemitic graffiti.[28]
• July 28, 2006 – Livorno – Graffiti “Israel is an evil state” was written on the walls of Jewish-owned businesses.[28]
• August 1, 2006 – Rome – 20 shops in Italy’s capital were vandalized, as what seems to be an antisemitic act - Swastikas painted on nearby walls and fliers found at the shops were signed by the Armed Revolutionary Fascists and denounced “the Zionist economy”.[28]
• January 12, 2009 - Pisa - Red paint was thrown at the town synagogue.[29]
• January 18, 2009 - Florence - An explosive device was found at the entrance to theChabad house.[29]
• January 21–22, 2009 - Rome - 2 members of the neo-fascist group Militia vandalized several Jewish-owned shops.[29]
• May 13, 2010 – Rome - Graffiti mocking Anne Frank and a swastika were spray-painted on a wall near an old fort where Nazis shot anti-fascists during World War II.[30]
• August 15, 2010 – Trani – “Juden Raus” (Jews out) and a swastika were spray-painted on an apartment building.[30]
• November 19, 2012 - Parma - Red paint was thrown against the entryway of the synagogue in Parma.[31]
• January 26, 2013 - Rome – Antisemitic inscriptions, “January 27: Holocaust, nothing but lies and disgrace” and “Israel is still the Hangman. January 27: I cannot remember. Israel does not exist, Death to the Zionists”, signed by the “Militia” organization have appeared on some of the walls in central Rome.[32]
• January 27, 2013 - Milan – An antisemitic blasphemous inscription, “Europe belongs to the whites. Jews go back to the desert”, was sprayed on the walls of a local school.[33]
• January 27, 2013 - Turin - A black swastika found on a memorial plaque, which commemorates four Italian partisans killed in massacres in May 1944 and April 1945.[34]
• January 31, 2013 - Udine – an antisemitic blasphemous inscription, “the Shoah must go on”, was sprayed in town.[33]
• February 8, 2013 - Fiuggi - Antisemitic and neo-Nazi inscriptions - “Anne Frank is a liar”, “The Shoah is a fraud” and some swastikas - appeared in the city.[35]

I rest my case.

 

[JM2C]

Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".
so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.thank you

One can think s/he is a Jew 'cause s/he adapted Judaism even though s/he does not belong to the true Semitic people that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

If you can trace your genealogy to the 12 tribes of Israel then you can say Anti-Semitism can be applied to you, otherwise you are just a Gentile who pretend to be a Jew.

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

You read this 144,000 came from the 12 tribes of Israel. These are the true Semitic people.

Rev 14:4 These, [the 144,000 Semitic Jews], are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure [Semitically pure]. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

 

[Estro Felino]

• March 31, 2002 - Modena - Antisemitic graffiti and swastikas were found on the synagogue in Modena.[25]
• July 17, 2002 - Rome- 40 graves were desecrated in the Jewish section of the Verano cemetery.[25]
• March 9, 2003 – Milan – Antisemitic graffiti ("RAI for Italians, no to Jews") appeared on the office of the RAI, after a journalist of Jewish origin was named director.[26]
• January 27, 2005 - Rome - Antisemitic graffiti reading "60 years of lies, Juden Raus" (Jews Out) was spray-painted on the outside wall of a Catholic church in central Rome.[27]
• May 15, 2006 – Milan – 40 Jewish graves were desecrated, and five destroyed, at a Jewish cemetery in the outskirts of Milan.[28]
• July 10, 2006 – Rome – Neo-fascists vandalized the Jewish quarter of Rome with swastikas and other antisemitic graffiti.[28]
• July 28, 2006 – Livorno – Graffiti “Israel is an evil state” was written on the walls of Jewish-owned businesses.[28]
• August 1, 2006 – Rome – 20 shops in Italy’s capital were vandalized, as what seems to be an antisemitic act - Swastikas painted on nearby walls and fliers found at the shops were signed by the Armed Revolutionary Fascists and denounced “the Zionist economy”.[28]
• January 12, 2009 - Pisa - Red paint was thrown at the town synagogue.[29]
• January 18, 2009 - Florence - An explosive device was found at the entrance to theChabad house.[29]
• January 21–22, 2009 - Rome - 2 members of the neo-fascist group Militia vandalized several Jewish-owned shops.[29]
• May 13, 2010 – Rome - Graffiti mocking Anne Frank and a swastika were spray-painted on a wall near an old fort where Nazis shot anti-fascists during World War II.[30]
• August 15, 2010 – Trani – “Juden Raus” (Jews out) and a swastika were spray-painted on an apartment building.[30]
• November 19, 2012 - Parma - Red paint was thrown against the entryway of the synagogue in Parma.[31]
• January 26, 2013 - Rome – Antisemitic inscriptions, “January 27: Holocaust, nothing but lies and disgrace” and “Israel is still the Hangman. January 27: I cannot remember. Israel does not exist, Death to the Zionists”, signed by the “Militia” organization have appeared on some of the walls in central Rome.[32]
• January 27, 2013 - Milan – An antisemitic blasphemous inscription, “Europe belongs to the whites. Jews go back to the desert”, was sprayed on the walls of a local school.[33]
• January 27, 2013 - Turin - A black swastika found on a memorial plaque, which commemorates four Italian partisans killed in massacres in May 1944 and April 1945.[34]
• January 31, 2013 - Udine – an antisemitic blasphemous inscription, “the Shoah must go on”, was sprayed in town.[33]
• February 8, 2013 - Fiuggi - Antisemitic and neo-Nazi inscriptions - “Anne Frank is a liar”, “The Shoah is a fraud” and some swastikas - appeared in the city.[35]

I rest my case.

wow....I speak of the Italian people and you speak of Nazi-fascist vandals and criminals.
It's like I said that all Germans are Nazi.
did I do that? I didn't.

 

[Flankerl]

wow....I speak of the Italian people and you speak of Nazi-fascist vandals and criminals.
It's like I said that all Germans are Nazi.
did I do that? I didn't.

Really? Another true-Scotsman?

Those people are Italian too, whether you like that or not.

 

[Estro Felino]

Really? Another true-Scotsman?

Those people are Italian too, whether you like that or not.

and those who still write "Den Holocaust hat es nie gegeben" with a Swastika, are Germans, whether you like it or not.

 

[RabbiO]

One can think s/he is a Jew 'cause s/he adapted Judaism even though s/he does not belong to the true Semitic people that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

If you can trace your genealogy to the 12 tribes of Israel then you can say Anti-Semitism can be applied to you, otherwise you are just a Gentile who pretend to be a Jew.

Putting Hay's mother aside for the moment, it would appear that you are saying that an individual who converts to Judaism is only a non-Jew pretending to be a Jew because that person is not genetically descended from a tribe of Israel.

Or have I misunderstood you?

 

[Desert Snake]

One can think s/he is a Jew 'cause s/he adapted Judaism even though s/he does not belong to the true Semitic people that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

If you can trace your genealogy to the 12 tribes of Israel then you can say Anti-Semitism can be applied to you, otherwise you are just a Gentile who pretend to be a Jew.

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

You read this 144,000 came from the 12 tribes of Israel. These are the true Semitic people.

Rev 14:4 These, [the 144,000 Semitic Jews], are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure [Semitically pure]. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

People convert to Judaism all the time.

 

[Flankerl]

and those who still write "Den Holocaust hat es nie gegeben" with a Swastika, are Germans, whether you like it or not.

So only Germans speak or rather write German? The more you know.

But i get it. There are no Italians who hate Jews. Only those who aren't real Italians hate Jews.


And obviously the Italian Police in front of Synagogues is just... killing time.

 

[Estro Felino]

So only Germans speak or rather write German? The more you know.

But i get it. There are no Italians who hate Jews. Only those who aren't real Italians hate Jews.

Tell me where I said that those people were not Italians. in what post? of course they are Italians.
But anti-Semitic vandalism is more massive in Germany.
Did I say that all Germans are Nazi? I didn't.

 

[Flankerl]

Tell me where I said that those people who were not Italians. in what post? of course they are Italians.

"wow....I speak of the Italian people and you speak of Nazi-fascist vandals and criminals."

But anti-Semitic vandalism is more massive in Germany.

How would you know?
Oh and btw just this year: "Another example is the packages containing a pig's head that were sent to Rome's Synagogue, the Israeli embassy and a museum showing an exhibition on the Holocaust in January 2014."

Did I say that all Germans are Nazi? I didn't.

Did I claim you did? No I didn't. Amazing.

 

[roger1440]

wow...the Synagogue is for Jews. Those guys just wanted to be sure you were a Jew. what's wrong with that?

In fact I've never wanted to enter there because I'm not Jewish

I think Levite is just emphasizing there is a very real threat out there. I know first hand there is a real threat out there. I don't need to read it in the newspaper. I'm from northern New Jersey. I live less then 8 miles from Manhattan. Parts of the 911 commission report reads like a tour guide for northern New Jersey. My area has a large Jewish population. I have a story to tell. But I'll do it later. I'm off to work now.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think Levite is just emphasizing there is a very real threat out there. I know first hand there is a real threat out there. I don't need to read it in the newspaper. I'm from northern New Jersey. I live less then 8 miles from Manhattan. Parts of the 911 commission report reads like a tour guide for northern New Jersey. My area has a large Jewish population. I have a story to tell. But I'll do it later. I'm off to work now.

threats are also in the Catholic world. The Pope, John Paul II was shot in the Vatican by a Turkish terrorist. so what?
threats are everywhere. But not on a daily basis.

and sincerely...comparing acts of vandalism of young fascist retards to massacres is not intellectually honest.
If we want to talk about the relationship between different religions, why don't we talk about the state of Israel?

I just wanted to show that in my country people of different religions don't kill one another as if life had no value

 

[Flankerl]

If we want to talk about the relationship between different religions, why don't we talk about the state of Israel?

Why don't you start a thread about it?

 

[JM2C]

Putting Hay's mother aside for the moment, it would appear that you are saying that an individual who converts to Judaism is only a non-Jew pretending to be a Jew because that person is not genetically descended from a tribe of Israel.

Or have I misunderstood you?

If one not a Jew then one is a Gentile. A Gentile converted to Judaism is still a Gentile or a Gentile proselyte. You cannot change your genetic identification because you change your religion.