Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[redpolk]

That is not what I said. You shouldn't twist my words.

Not twisting.Just asking.

 

[redpolk]

Does Judaism claim that Jews and non-Jews are not equal in God's eyes?

Were we not equal in God's eyes before Jesus' time?(Perhaps that expresses my question more clearly.)

 

[Simplelogic]

Does Judaism claim that Jews and non-Jews are not equal in God's eyes?

No

 

[Artemis]

Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

I am sorry but you are way out of line. Jesus was a Jew born from Mary and the HS. The generation of Jesus is written in the first Chapter of the Gospel of Matthew. Please read it.

 

[Simplelogic]

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

Such ignorance.

 

[Artemis]

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

Jesus kept all the commandments of the Old Testament and as John says in his gospel, God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son , that whatsoever believed in Him should not perish but have eveverlasting life John 3:16 God did this to bring reconciliation between Him and His people. But then, his people rejected him and his teachings, because they were expecting someone to come and establish Israel as a State. We gentiles,accepted Jesus sacrifice taught by apostle Paul. In fact a partial blindness came over The jews until the fullness of the gentiles be come in (Romans ch.11 verse 25,read also 26) The Jews are the root of the tree and the gentiles who accepted Jesus as their Saviour are the branches. So we, real Christians must love the jewish people as brothers.

 

[Levite]

True Roman Catholics are not anti-Semitic but they are anti-Judaism: i.e. anti-Jew. Jews created the phrase anti-Semitic to scare and frighten people into silence. I consider the phrase anti-Semitic to be anti-Gentile and that word 'anti-Semitic is the most disgusting word on the face of the earth because it is full of hatred of Gentile. Any Jew using the phrase antisemitism should be arrested for hate crimes and executed. Most of the Arab nations in the middle east are of the Semitic Races and they are Gentiles so when Jews use that phrase they are trying to be all inclusive of the very people they hate and declared war on.

Jesus Christ was anti-Jew because he was not born a Jew he was born a Christian: being Christ he instituted the Christian Religion. Christ was crucified because he was not a Jew. Christ's ministry was to convert Jews to Christianity and in the eyes of Judaism Christ was a murderer. If a Jew is converted to Christianity he or she is considered by family, friends and associates as being dead though that individual breaths and sire children.

Most people do not realize that being a Jew has nothing to do with ethnic distinctions because being a Jew is a religious distinction and Jews can come out of any ethnic group on earth just as being Christian is a religious distinction and not an ethnic distinction. Christ was not even born of a Jew because Mary could not have conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit if she was of the Jewish mentality. It is impossible for a Jew to know Christ because that is the nature of their religion.

Fascinating how anti-Semites always have some justification for why they're not anti-Semites, yet somehow it's perfectly defensible and reasonable for them to spew Jew-hating nonsense....

 

[Artemis]

The first chapter of Matthew says nothing about Jesus being a Jew. Just because one's ancestors lived in spiritual darkness does not mean that every generation has to be so stupid. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews are iconoclastic and true Christians read the bible symbolically, letter by letter, word by word, not like the Protestants (Christian Jews) that also read the bible iconoclastically. Saint John says God (El) is LIGHT and in him is no DARKNESS. True Christians represent the teachings of LIGHT; whereas, Judaism represent the teachings of DARKNESS.

If you know anything about the symbolism of the bible meaning that every single letter is symbolically and alphanumerically structured whether it is in the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament or the Greek texts of the New Testament. If you are that well versed in the symbolic construct of the bible you would know that every single one of the 39-books of the Old Testament were written by Christians and not so much as a single letter of the Old Testament was ever written by a Jew. That can be proven scientifically. In fact in my published writing I have proved it.

You are playing with words. The old Testament was written by jews and translated into greek and latin. We have to accept that the hebrew language is difficult but I happen to know Greek ...having the internet facilities it is possible to read how it was originally written and how it was translated. I can see this actually when I am studying my bible in greek and english.

 

[Levite]

Why do you use the word anti-Semite; rather, than anti-Judaism. I am not again Arabs or any other Semite race. Judaism is a religion not an ethnic distinction. Why would you want to blur the distinction between ethnicity and religion confusing everybody as to what you are saying. What do Arab nations have to do with Judaism or Israelites for that matter? You seem to want to bring in the Arabs with the use of the word anti-Semite, which confuses the whole conversation. What in the world are you talking about???... Let us get our terminologies right or do you not understand the English language and what its definition of words are. Were you born in Israel and only learning the English language???...

First of all, Judaism is a socioreligious ethnicity: an identity group that incorporates elements of religion, of cultural ethnicity, and of nationality.

Second of all, anti-Semitism has been the standard term in English for hatred of Jews since its introduction from German in the nineteenth century.

 

[McBell]

First of all, Judaism is a socioreligious ethnicity: an identity group that incorporates elements of religion, of cultural ethnicity, and of nationality.

Second of all, anti-Semitism has been the standard term in English for hatred of Jews since its introduction from German in the nineteenth century.

I suspect you have presented to many facts in to small a space for some people to handle.

 

[Artemis]

Actually, the Christian God (El) is the Unknown God Saint Paul talks about and El does represent Yahweh (ego-consciousness) or ego-centric god of the Jews. Actually, El is the Canaanite God that Melchizedek worship as outlined in the fourteenth chapter of Genesis. So yes, the spiritual God (El) does not know Jews and therefore Jews are unequal to Christians. This is not me saying this; rather, the bible declare it openly for all to read.

Actually, the Christian God (El) is the Unknown God Saint Paul talks about and El does represent Yahweh (ego-consciousness) or ego-centric god of the Jews. Actually, El is the Canaanite God that Melchizedek worship as outlined in the fourteenth chapter of Genesis. So yes, the spiritual God (El) does not know Jews and therefore Jews are unequal to Christians. This is not me saying this; rather, the bible declare it openly for all to read.

Artemis: I do not play with words. When I say read the bible symbolically letter by letter via its symbols and alphanumerically that is precisely what I am talking about. The bible happens to be the most scientific instrument on earth and if you know anything about my published works I do nothing but prove demonstrable that the Hebrew texts are full of graphic images: isn't that against one of the ten commandments???... There are many books that will teach you the symbolism and numeric structure of the Hebrew and/or the Greek language from that you have to personally do a study on every single letter as it relates to other letters in a word of the texts and then study the text from one word to another and their relationship and geometrical images they create. For example I have discovered the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the Star of David images in the first chapter of Genesis and have been publishing those images for over twenty years. In fact I discovered the true source material that wrote the Old and New Testaments. There is a great deal more to the sacred scriptures than reading filthy translations. Translations are good merely for the mythoi of the surface storyline but to learn the deep things of God the texts has to be studied letter by letter symbolically and alphanumerically. Anything less than that kind of research you may as well not study the bible at all for you will learn nothing of consequence.

Artemis: I do not play with words. When I say read the bible symbolically letter by letter via its symbols and alphanumerically that is precisely what I am talking about. The bible happens to be the most scientific instrument on earth and if you know anything about my published works I do nothing but prove demonstrable that the Hebrew texts are full of graphic images: isn't that against one of the ten commandments???... There are many books that will teach you the symbolism and numeric structure of the Hebrew and/or the Greek language from that you have to personally do a study on every single letter as it relates to other letters in a word of the texts and then study the text from one word to another and their relationship and geometrical images they create. For example I have discovered the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the Star of David images in the first chapter of Genesis and have been publishing those images for over twenty years. In fact I discovered the true source material that wrote the Old and New Testaments. There is a great deal more to the sacred scriptures than reading filthy translations. Translations are good merely for the mythoi of the surface storyline but to learn the deep things of God the texts has to be studied letter by letter symbolically and alphanumerically. Anything less than that kind of research you may as well not study the bible at all for you will learn nothing of consequence.

Artemis: I do not play with words. When I say read the bible symbolically letter by letter via its symbols and alphanumerically that is precisely what I am talking about. The bible happens to be the most scientific instrument on earth and if you know anything about my published works I do nothing but prove demonstrable that the Hebrew texts are full of graphic images: isn't that against one of the ten commandments???... There are many books that will teach you the symbolism and numeric structure of the Hebrew and/or the Greek language from that you have to personally do a study on every single letter as it relates to other letters in a word of the texts and then study the text from one word to another and their relationship and geometrical images they create. For example I have discovered the Kabbalistic Tree of Life and the Star of David images in the first chapter of Genesis and have been publishing those images for over twenty years. In fact I discovered the true source material that wrote the Old and New Testaments. There is a great deal more to the sacred scriptures than reading filthy translations. Translations are good merely for the mythoi of the surface storyline but to learn the deep things of God the texts has to be studied letter by letter symbolically and alphanumerically. Anything less than that kind of research you may as well not study the bible at all for you will learn nothing of consequence.

May i repeat here that at least the new testament I read in greek, in the actual language written. El was and is the God Yahweh and he is the God of Jews. If you know the OT as good as you claim you do, then you should know how many other different names He has. God changed Jacob's name to Israel remember? If you are saying that OT is a myth, may be you know something more, b ut regarding the NT you cannot convince me with your words and whatever teachings you have. What you are doing on this page is not from the Spirit of God but from other sources. If you have really found something which has foundation of truth, tell me what do you know about the Holy Spirit? You say you have written books too, so you must have studied both Testaments well, yes? or am I wrong? Tell me what you know about the HS??

 

[Simplelogic]

Actually, the Christian God (El) is the Unknown God Saint Paul talks about and El does represent Yahweh (ego-consciousness) or ego-centric god of the Jews. Actually, El is the Canaanite God that Melchizedek worship as outlined in the fourteenth chapter of Genesis. So yes, the spiritual God (El) does not know Jews and therefore Jews are unequal to Christians. This is not me saying this; rather, the bible declare it openly for all to read.

I hope all Christians hear this blasphemous claim. I do agree with you that Paul taught this very concept. An evil one at that.

 

[Flankerl]

Were we not equal in God's eyes before Jesus' time?(Perhaps that expresses my question more clearly.)

But if the God of the Christians and Jews is the same that makes no sense. Why would he only after the death of Jesus actually care for the Gentiles?
Why not from the start?

I think that Judaism, even if it is a nationalistic religion, changes according to the nationality of its believers.
Italian Jews have always had words of love towards Christians and the Pope. Besides, no Christian bothers Roman Jews and no Roman Jew bothers Christian in Rome.
Because we love each other.
In Israel Muslims and Jews do kill each other.
so in my country, Italian Jews and Christians, we do love each other.
and let's not forget that the Holocaust took place in Germany, not in Italy.
Because I come from a civilized country with loving warm-blooded people

Do we really need to go over the "History of the Jews in Italy"-article?
Should we take bets on how often the word "persecution/persecuted" appears?

 

[roger1440]

The first chapter of Matthew says nothing about Jesus being a Jew. Just because one's ancestors lived in spiritual darkness does not mean that every generation has to be so stupid. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews are iconoclastic and true Christians read the bible symbolically, letter by letter, word by word, not like the Protestants (Christian Jews) that also read the bible iconoclastically. Saint John says God (El) is LIGHT and in him is no DARKNESS. True Christians represent the teachings of LIGHT; whereas, Judaism represent the teachings of DARKNESS.

If you know anything about the symbolism of the bible meaning that every single letter is symbolically and alphanumerically structured whether it is in the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament or the Greek texts of the New Testament. If you are that well versed in the symbolic construct of the bible you would know that every single one of the 39-books of the Old Testament were written by Christians and not so much as a single letter of the Old Testament was ever written by a Jew. That can be proven scientifically. In fact in my published writing I have proved it.

If Jesus wasn’t Jewish, why does the Gospels of Luke and Matthew trace Jesus lineage? Did they just have to much free time on there hands? It must have served a purpose.

 

[Estro Felino]

Do we really need to go over the "History of the Jews in Italy"-article?
Should we take bets on how often the word "persecution/persecuted" appears?

The Vatican was quite unholy in the past. But if we talk about the 19th and the 20th century, the Roman Jews prospered because the Papacy. when the Nazis came to Rome and captured all the Jews they possibly could, the Pope saved many of them. Too few, unfortunately.

 

[Flankerl]

and I remind you that during the WW2 your compatriots came to Rome, occupied it, captured all the Jews they possibly could and deported them. The Pope saved many of them. Too few, unfortunately.
You know, for your beloved compatriots, killing German Jews was not sufficient. They wanted Italian Jews too.

You are treading on some mighty thin ice here.

 

[nazz]

wow...I could say when Pope Pius XII helped many Jews escape from the Nazis...but I guess even earlier. You forget that the Synagogue of Rome is 1 mile away from the Vatican.

I heard he did nothing when the Nazis rounded up the Jews in Rome

 

[Estro Felino]

I heard he did nothing when the Nazis rounded up the Jews in Rome

Because he was not a brave man. If I had been him, I would have protested against the Nazis and Hitler Himself, even at cost of being murdered, Dying as a martyr is a honor, when you fight against Evil.

however...he saved 860 thousands Jews. Very few...
860,000 Lives Saved - The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Estro Felino]

You are treading on some mighty thin ice here.

I ask for forgiveness, then. I corrected my post
But you talked about the past...and about what the Catholic Church did.
I talked about the past too...talking about the Nazis.

 

[nazz]

I ask for forgiveness, then. I corrected my post
But you talked about the past...and about what the Catholic Church did.
I talked about the past too...talking about the Nazis.

Flankerl, I believe, is German and Jewish.