Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[nazz]

Get over yourself. I am a Jew and I found no offence.

You can call yourself a Jew but actual Jews won't recognize that

 

[Simplelogic]

You can call yourself a Jew but actual Jews won't recognize that

Excuse me? Would you like to fill me in on my own dna?

 

[nazz]

Excuse me? Would you like to fill me in on my own dna?

Your mother/father were Jewish?

 

[nazz]

Your mother/father were Jewish?

whatsamatta? Don't want to answer this?

 

[Simplelogic]

Your mother/father were Jewish?

O..so now you want to actually ask before bluntly stating my race? I owe you no explanation.

 

[nazz]

O..so now you want to actually ask before bluntly stating my race? I owe you no explanation.

No, you don't. And if you don't care to answer I'll understand. I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that you had said at some point you were not Jewish by birth.

 

[Simplelogic]

No, you don't. And if you don't care to answer I'll understand. I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that you had said at some point you were not Jewish by birth.

Yes, you are mistaken on this. No problem…just a misunderstanding. Sorry for the sharp response. It wasn't necessary.

 

[nazz]

Yes, you are mistaken on this. No problem…just a misunderstanding. Sorry for the sharp response. It wasn't necessary.

Curious why you consider Jewish a race though. Most Jews do not.

 

[Simplelogic]

Curious why you consider Jewish a race though. Most Jews do not.

You are mistaken on this point. The Jewish people are a race. The religious aspect is a whole different discussion. Jews and be Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Christian or Satanist. This doesn't change the reality of their lineage.

 

[nazz]

You are mistaken on this point. The Jewish people are a race. The religious aspect is a whole different discussion. Jews and be Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Agnostic, Christian or Satanist. This doesn't change the reality of their lineage.

Understood. I am just saying most Jews still don't call it a race.

 

[Flankerl]

The Jewish people are a race.

Do tell.

 

[Simplelogic]

Jews can be grafted to Judaismin through conversion and can have equal status as Jews as well

Do tell.

Glad to. Though I don't want to distract from the OP. In short, the Jewish race is comprised of people who's ancestors can be traced back to primarily three of the 12 tribes of Israel. Judah, Benjamin and Levi consolidated into a single kingdom referred to in the Bible as "Judah". Judah was taken captive for 70 years by the Babylonians and most of them never came back. A small remnant of the Judah returned after the decree of Cyrus the great and rebuilt the Temple and the walls with Nehemiah. It is primarily this group which most Jews trace their roots back to. Most of the Jews that decided to stay in other nations ended up assimilating into the culture, making it difficult for them to officially trace their roots.

There is another group of Israelites which are still in diaspora and have yet to return. I'm referring to the northern house of Israel (the other 10 tribes) which were scattered by the Assyrians in the mid 700's B.C. There are many theories out there on who these "lost sheep" are.

 

[Simplelogic]

The Torah is also clear on how Gentiles are to be grafted into Israel. There was a mixed multitude with the Israelites at the base of Mt. Sinai. These same Gentiles (mostly Egyptians) were permitted to become fully fledged Israelites. In order to have full citizenship a man had to be circumcised in heart and in flesh. There are many great men of faith in our Bible's which were grafted Gentiles. These inclusionary laws do not negate the racial component of Israelite DNA.

 

[roger1440]

Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you

What year or even century did Christians cease being anti-Semitic? I want to look it up. Help me out here.

 

[gsa]

The Torah is also clear on how Gentiles are to be grafted into Israel. There was a mixed multitude with the Israelites at the base of Mt. Sinai. These same Gentiles (mostly Egyptians) were permitted to become fully fledged Israelites. In order to have full citizenship a man had to be circumcised in heart and in flesh. There are many great men of faith in our Bible's which were grafted Gentiles. These inclusionary laws do not negate the racial component of Israelite DNA.

Yet there are now at least three distinct approaches (Orthodox, Reform, Conservative) to this, at least in the States (not sure how the Humanists and Reconstructionists handle it).Then, of course, there's the distinction between the Rabbinate and Israeli government approaches. All of these approaches exclude at least some people who have Jewish ancestors, both near and far ancestry. Jewish peoplehood is a confusing matter for both Jews and outsiders, I'd wager.

What is relatively safe to say is this: A simple declaration of Jewish identity by someone is generally regarded as insufficient, standing alone.

 

[redpolk]

One has to acknowledge the Jewish roots of Christianity. Being Jewish doesn't merely mean that you your religion is Judaism, but it also mean that you are part of the Hebrew people.
Christianity transcends this, in my opinion. Whether one is Jew or gentile, we're all equal in Christ.

Does Judaism claim that Jews and non-Jews are not equal in God's eyes?

 

[Estro Felino]

What year or even century did Christians cease being anti-Semitic? I want to look it up. Help me out here.

wow...I could say when Pope Pius XII helped many Jews escape from the Nazis...but I guess even earlier. You forget that the Synagogue of Rome is 1 mile away from the Vatican.
Here Pope Benedict XVI meets the Rabbi of Rome in the Synagogue

Here the Rabbi of Rome meets Francis I in the Vatican

I think that Judaism, even if it is a nationalistic religion, changes according to the nationality of its believers.
Italian Jews have always had words of love towards Christians and the Pope. Besides, no Christian bothers Roman Jews and no Roman Jew bothers Christian in Rome.
Because we love each other.
In Israel Muslims and Jews do kill each other.
so in my country, Italian Jews and Christians, we do love each other.
and let's not forget that the Holocaust took place in Germany, not in Italy.
Because I come from a civilized country with loving warm-blooded people

 

[Estro Felino]

Besides in that video, Pope Francis repeats what I say:
"A Christian, for their Jewish roots is not allowed to be an Anti-Semitic"
and the Rabbi tells him: "we will wok together for starting a common path of solidarity and charity"

 

[McBell]

well...false Christians can be Anti-Semitic and History proves it.
But you can't tell that the authentic Christian, the one who imitates Jesus Christ is anti-Semitic. Saints are sometimes martyrs, so victims and not perpetrators.

Jesus is our model. and Jesus, the first Christian, was a Jew. so he couldn't be against Himself.

Let's not forget that Hitler and most Nazis worshiped Germanic gods. and they killed lots of Christian priests

 

[Heim]

Does Judaism claim that Jews and non-Jews are not equal in God's eyes?

That is not what I said. You shouldn't twist my words.