You do not have freedom FROM religion.:no:
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Christians in America
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linwood
Well-Known Member
You need to educate yourself.
My 10 year old knows she is free to pray in school.
Not that she would but she can if she wants.
linwood
Well-Known Member
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Specifically, you have freedom FROM being compelled to participate in a religion.
at risk of feeding the troll,
No, a teacher's job is NOT teach moral values to students. A teacher's job is to teach the student to read, to do algebra, history, chemistry, biology or perhaps even how to play volleyball. A PARENT'S job is to instill moral values acceptable to that parent. NOT a public school system.
As for christians not persecuting homosexuals, well, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
I find this rather hard to believe. I've yet to see Christian gas chambers & concentration camps......although there was a Jesus camp, but it
had no ovens large enuf for a camper. Xtians run this country, with a sprinkling of Jews. We heathens are quite rare in office....can you name
even one in Congress? I can only conclude that either we atheists are incredibly persuasive, or that youz guyz are persecuting yourselves.
waitasec
Veteran Member
You need to educate yourself.
My 10 year old knows she is free to pray in school.
Not that she would but she can if she wants.
that was a joke ya'll
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AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Oh? So, say, a JW has a right to stand on my doorstep yelling scriptures at me?
The local Catholic Church can pass laws banning homosexuality?
I can be forced to attend Church every Sunday?
Fact is, most people agree to the premise. They just don't like the sounds of "Freedom FROM Religion".
Don't be silly.
They may influence a close election
If you go to a Nascar race, you will hear a prayer. Freedom from religion would be if one person could cause the prayer to be canceled because you did not want to hear it.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
For the record, I have not stated, nor do I believe, that Christians are being persecuted in this country.
Freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion don't mean the same thing. They mean something SIMILAR but their subtle differences are what makes some people so mad.
Freedom OF religion means people can worship as they please - or not worship at all. I think this is reasonable. Freedom FROM religion means that people are guaranteed not to have to be exposed to religion at all. I don't think this is reasonable.
I think it's sad that where I work, we are not allowed to play Christmas music. I think that choice should be left up to the business owners - not the HR department. I mean, we are not even allowed to play SECULAR Christmas music. RIDICULOUS! It's so odd that even our customers who come in at Christmas walk in and say, "Wow, it's quiet in here - where's the music?"
I think it's sad when employees are forbidden to say "Merry Christmas!" and yet they can say, "Oh my god, I had a great time last night!" all they want.
Nope. Freedom OF religion means simply that no government entity can force you to worship in any way. That oughtta cover the bases nicely. No need for a wall "protecting" people from any contact with religions they may not agree with.
[QUOTEOur current Motto and Pledge were both replacments that were dug under that Wall using the Red Scare as a shovel and McCarthyism as the explosives][/QUOTE]
The pledge was written in 1892 by an American socialist named Francis Bellamy and was being recited in public schools by October of that year. The phrase "under God" was what was added in the 1950s. Personally I don't care for that addition - I think it's unnecessarily inflammatory.
Same with "In God We Trust." I prefer E Pluribus Unim.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Freedom OF religion means that government cannot favor a particular religion. All religions must be included in a celebration, which is usually impractical, or no religion at all.
Freedom FROM religion means that government cannot force you to worship. To have people in a public forum recite a religious prayer or a pledge with "God" included within it is a violation of such freedoms.
Ever been to a NASCAR race?
McBell
Unbound
I disagree.
This is a "public forum".
So is the local Walmart store and there are prayers in both.
Perhaps you meant Government forum?
McBell
Unbound
Or a sports game....
You mean like when we swear a President in? If I recall, there was a preacher and a prayer there too.
McBell
Unbound
Hmmm....
Good point.
On An Off Topic Side Note:
Every time I hear about the "swearing in" of the president I always picture the president getting cussed out.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Walmart is a private forum open to the public. A public forum or a government forum is a forum owned by the public as taxpayers. At least that is how I understand it. Walmart resreves the right to greet it's customers with a Hari Krishna, Rama, Rama, as far as I know or care.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Yes, er no, but I watched one on TV the other week and the opening ceremony really was creepy, right out of the dark ages.
McBell
Unbound
Forum owned by the public..?
Like what?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I've already stated that I don't agree with the inclusion of "under God" in the pledge. However, no one is forced to say "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in a government setting as far as I know. Feel free to correct that if you can provide a source.
As for the first one - freedom OF religion - I agree that the government should not favor a particular religion. I am not aware that it does so. However, private businesses and citizens should be allowed to favor whatever religion they prefer - and should not be operate in fear that someone will be offended by Christmas music in the background, the wearing of a headscarf by a bank teller, or a pentagram necklace on a waitress at Chilis.
What do you mean by "public forum?"