See post #380.
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Christians: Kill family who mentions other beliefs to you?
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See post #380.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
This is a command to those who practice Judaism, There are no such commands given to Christians.
waitasec
Veteran Member
no it's not. i was on the inside at one point and didn't see it like that at the time of course.. .
where in the bible does god ever say i have faith in my creation or i believe in my creation in the same way a parent would with their child?
are we not wired to perform better if we have a support system? surely god would understand that. it's all about how short we come to the glory of god. and only righteousness comes from god we aren't god enough no matter how hard we try.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
How do you tell which is which?
waitasec
Veteran Member
so the 10 commandments only apply to jewish men?
and everything is relative when it comes to god's commands....interesting
You'd still worship a god that commands anyone, regardless of whether it's you or not, to kill their families for petty reasons? Interesting.
Reptillian
Hamburgler Extraordinaire
'Interesting' wouldn't be my choice of words...'alarming' seems more appropriate.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
This would probably be a question best addressed to Jews. The reason being that, from my experience, they are much more knowledgeable on these laws, as well as the OT in general.
The key in this passage is that the command to kill is only when another tries to take you away from the Jewish God. It wasn't a problem with someone believing differently in this case, but only with those who would try to have you believing differently as well.
Now, that is not a very good excuse for the verse anyway though. The reason for a commandment such as this is that the idea was that one should have unconditional loyalty to God. That meant having more loyalty to God than even to your closest family.
This commandment was not unique to the Jews either. It was based on the idea that traitors should die. A traitor to God is someone who worshipped another god. Similar loyalty treaties can be found can be found with the Neo-Assyrians. Now, that doesn't excuse the Jews from this, but it does need to be pointed out that it wasn't something unique to them.
There is a problem with this commandment though. The problem being that it conflicted with another Deuteronomy's commandment, (17:2-7 for instance) that demanded due process. We thus see in the second temple period that the commandment was changed to conform with that of the due process commandment.
This isn't the only example of an anti-apostasy commandments though. They were trying to become a unified people, and a threat to that was apostasy.
The key in this passage is that the command to kill is only when another tries to take you away from the Jewish God. It wasn't a problem with someone believing differently in this case, but only with those who would try to have you believing differently as well.
Now, that is not a very good excuse for the verse anyway though. The reason for a commandment such as this is that the idea was that one should have unconditional loyalty to God. That meant having more loyalty to God than even to your closest family.
This commandment was not unique to the Jews either. It was based on the idea that traitors should die. A traitor to God is someone who worshipped another god. Similar loyalty treaties can be found can be found with the Neo-Assyrians. Now, that doesn't excuse the Jews from this, but it does need to be pointed out that it wasn't something unique to them.
There is a problem with this commandment though. The problem being that it conflicted with another Deuteronomy's commandment, (17:2-7 for instance) that demanded due process. We thus see in the second temple period that the commandment was changed to conform with that of the due process commandment.
This isn't the only example of an anti-apostasy commandments though. They were trying to become a unified people, and a threat to that was apostasy.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
Danmac
Well-Known Member
A tree is known by its fruits. An apple tree will not bear peaches. Therefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
The law kills, but the Spirit is life. I died so that I might be free to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not the oldness of the letter, which brings death.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
If I held true to Judaism I would be commanded to kill you for blasphemy. However, I am commanded to love the enemies of God. You being one of them. I can judge nothing before the time. Your judgment is sealed. One day you will awaken to a nightmare of biblical proportions. Your education has swelled your head to maximum psi. The educated man is the one who refuses to view the world from the steeple of his own church.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
And that is why people see Christianity as evil. Being educated and actually researching ones religion, in an open minded fashion, is not a sin. And it certainly will not send one into a nightmare of biblical proportions. If that was so, there is no way God could love his creations. He would be nothing more than a sadistic fiend.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
Your right might does not make right, but Might can do whatever the hell it wants because it's might.
Danmac
Well-Known Member
People see Christianity as evil, because the educated refuse to do as you have said. Only a fool reaches a conclusion to that which he has no researched for himself.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
So what about atheists? Are they fools because their research has shown them that there is no reason to consider there to be a god? If God isn't going to supply the evidence, why should others be considered fools?
Danmac
Well-Known Member
What scientific method do atheists use to from their conclusions?
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
The scientific method is the objective deductive application of reason derived from observation/experiment translated into mathematical form and then used to create some model of reality (as mathematical formula) that makes accurate predictions.
Like Newtons inverse square law of gravity for example.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
What scientific method do theist use to form their conclusions? I would say it's about the same.