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Jane.Doe

Active Member
Why are you LDS then ? I take it you believe baptism is necessary for salvation ?
I am where I am (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) because that's where I found all of my studies and prayers leading to.

A saved person should be baptized. The commandments of of Lord Jesus Christ are to things to be blown off, rather we follow Him & His commandments out of love for Him. Of course, faith & repentance both come before baptism. Getting baptized without faith is a totally empty gesture. Baptizing babies goes beyond empty into very very wrong thing to do.
 
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Jane.Doe

Active Member
The bible is the only ' Book ' thats from God. Why would you need anything else ?
I do not confine God & His innumerable wonders to one book. God doesn't go into a box, nor is the Bible a letter from a dead man.

Rather, God is living and He Himself guides His believers. We are to have areal direct relationship with Him.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I use Wikipedia. I’m just saying it’s naive to think it’s a neutral, unbiased source for information. All sources and people have their biases. Even scientists, I hope you realize that. Definitely, religious groups. So I think it’s wise to read and check a variety of sources expressing different perspectives.
Yes, there is no such thing as an unbiased source. And I like Wikipedia as well. It is very trustworthy overall. I do not use it for breaking science since it is not as strong there.

Both the sciences and Wikipedia do have a self correction mechanism so that even though they can be biased those biases do tend to be temporary.
 

idea

Question Everything
Reed Smoot hearings - if anyone wants to know what Mormon "apostles and prophets" really are..., authority given by humans raising their hands, voted in like any other leader, no authority above what people give to them, no revelations, no prophecies, a made-up book like so many others.

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https://ia600307.us.archive.org/29/items/testimonyimport00elecgoog/testimonyimport00elecgoog.pdf
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mormonism is completely unnecessary.
Apparently not more so than any other Protestant or Post-Protestant movement, denominational or independent. The Church in its Orthodox branches of Roman, Eastern, and Anglican are sufficient to transmit and nurture the Christian Faith. Which branch are you?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yes you probably prayed about it to see if it was true and had a burning in the bosom ?
That’s a cheap shot, and no more ridiculous than the same phenomenon in the Methodist tradition, or being slain in the spirit, or bring “sanctified” in the holiness tradition.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
if anyone wants to know what Mormon "apostles and prophets" really are..., authority given by humans raising their hands, voted in like any other leader, no authority above what people give to them, no revelations, no prophecies
The church has always confirmed its discernment of God’s call to holy orders. Heck! The disciples voted in Judas’ replacement. And all the replacements thereafter. No member of the clergy in any legitimate denomination is ordained without the approval of the judicatory. Ordination is the approval of the People.
Such mean-spirited claptrap!
 

idea

Question Everything
The church has always confirmed its discernment of God’s call to holy orders. Heck! The disciples voted in Judas’ replacement. And all the replacements thereafter. No member of the clergy in any legitimate denomination is ordained without the approval of the judicatory. Ordination is the approval of the People.
Such mean-spirited claptrap!

Yes, the whole ball of wax is by the people, for the people, created by the people → nothing by God for God or created by God about it.

mean-spirited = sexist male-hierarchies putting women in their place, racist "curse of Cain" theologies segregating blacks until 1978 (blacks were not allowed to hold priesthood, or enter temples, or allowed in leadership callings etc. - real white supremacy STILL going on, just look at the ethnic makeup of the church leaders)... oh and LGBTQ exclusion, and "excommunicating" people for things like trying to stop children in the church from being molested (see Sam Young), and this weekend excommunicating another member for her professional career (therapist - see Natasha Helfer)

NOT loving, NOT just, NOT merciful, NOT Christian. It is a dangerous cult that tears families apart, molests kids, propagates lies, hording $$$ https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...619bd2-2004-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

great and spacious buildings ....

organized religious people killed Jesus. There are some real wolves in sheep clothing out there, and this organization is one of them.
 

John1.12

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Apparently not more so than any other Protestant or Post-Protestant movement, denominational or independent. The Church in its Orthodox branches of Roman, Eastern, and Anglican are sufficient to transmit and nurture the Christian Faith. Which branch are you?
None of the above. Non denomination.
 

John1.12

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That’s a cheap shot, and no more ridiculous than the same phenomenon in the Methodist tradition, or being slain in the spirit, or bring “sanctified” in the holiness tradition.
No that is what Mormons Believe . They read in James where it says to pray for wisdom and think this is a general invitation . They don't check with the same bible that confirmation is not given as a burning in the bosom. They take another verse out of context in Acts where the two diciples ' experienced ' something when Jesus revealed himself to them ,when he broke bread . They think this is how truth is revealed and validated for everyone in a similar way ( inductive reasoning) .
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
No that is what Mormons Believe . They read in James where it says to pray for wisdom and think this is a general invitation . They don't check with the same bible that confirmation is not given as a burning in the bosom. They take another verse out of context in Acts where the two diciples ' experienced ' something when Jesus revealed himself to them ,when he broke bread . They think this is how truth is revealed and validated for everyone in a similar way ( inductive reasoning) .
Before I comment on this post, I'm going to remind you of our conversation and make sure that these are these are indeed words you want use Barry.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yes, the whole ball of wax is by the people, for the people, created by the people → nothing by God for God or created by God about it.

mean-spirited = sexist male-hierarchies putting women in their place, racist "curse of Cain" theologies segregating blacks until 1978 (blacks were not allowed to hold priesthood, or enter temples, or allowed in leadership callings etc. - real white supremacy STILL going on, just look at the ethnic makeup of the church leaders)... oh and LGBTQ exclusion, and "excommunicating" people for things like trying to stop children in the church from being molested (see Sam Young), and this weekend excommunicating another member for her professional career (therapist - see Natasha Helfer)

NOT loving, NOT just, NOT merciful, NOT Christian. It is a dangerous cult that tears families apart, molests kids, propagates lies, hording $$$ https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...619bd2-2004-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

great and spacious buildings ....

organized religious people killed Jesus. There are some real wolves in sheep clothing out there, and this organization is one of them.
So, other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No that is what Mormons Believe . They read in James where it says to pray for wisdom and think this is a general invitation . They don't check with the same bible that confirmation is not given as a burning in the bosom. They take another verse out of context in Acts where the two diciples ' experienced ' something when Jesus revealed himself to them ,when he broke bread . They think this is how truth is revealed and validated for everyone in a similar way ( inductive reasoning) .
And others believe their practices of discernment. What do you practice for discernment?
 
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