sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Of course not. Even though the ancient church did.
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Christians Only: The Book of Mormon
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Question Everything
Interesting to hear the take from other Christians on "burning in the bosom", have you experienced it before? It is an amazing thing.
Mormons believe others are only experiencing "elevation emotion" while what they experience is somehow different...
"Moral elevation consists of a feeling of warmth and expansion that is accompanied by admiration and affection for the person(s) who performed the exemplary behavior."
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17439760.2016.1163410
"testifies of truth:
These constructs include trust, self-efficacy, feelings of connectedness to others,
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17439760.2016.1269184
elevated levels of oxytocin in turn cause greater willingness to trust
APA PsycNet
don't get me wrong, "elevation emotion" is an amazing thing, bonds people together, but.... it does NOT testify of truth, and it does NOT come from God (anymore than "everything" is from God, from the laws of nature to the chemical reactions in our body and natural selection and everything else)
Minimal axioms . 1) The bible is true
2) The bible comes from God
3) God cannot lie .
I would not use ' feelings ' as confirmation that something is from God . I would use the bible. Not devoid of emotions / experience, perspectival, participatory, and the other two kinds of knowing, which escapes me right now lol . But scripture is the final authority for me .
HOW do you know the Bible is true? Again, discernment is key.
And don't blindly assume other folks have not done a lot of discernment too.
I listen to what people have to say . Often they will say they don't believe the bible or they will tell me they believe the bible in a way ,or accompanied with, or ' parts ' ect .
*Bumping up my request again to make sure that these are the word's Barry wants to use before I respond to them*
Again: HOW do YOU know the Bible is true?
Many things . I tested it firstly by reading it .
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No, no, no. That’s “head knowledge.” How do you discern if and in what way the Holy Spirit is present and working?
And...?
Again, you can also read the Quran, and it says it comes from God and God cannot lie.
What more was there to your discernment process?
Well that would be specifically the Gospel. That the bible says is the prerequisite to be saved. The bible says that all that's necessary for salvation has been provided through Jesus death and resurrection , paying for our sins .( 1cor 15 ,1-4 ) God confirming through the Holy Spirit ' working ' in people ( to use your term )
As described here .
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.s
Conviction of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, but occurs to sinners alike, regardless of consequent faith or unbelief. It is not irresistible or unconditionally selective. (Jn. 16:7-11)
No the quran did not convince me it was true or from God . The Apostles would reason from the scriptures with people that they should trust on Jesus .
Why not?
I keep asking you about your discernment process and you keep not answering.
(Having not heard back from Barry about this post, I’ll just take the words as they are)
I am a “Mormon”. And yes, I have read the Bible, the entire thing, cover to cover + many topical studies, very intensely. There’s no “not checking” or not looking at context. That being accompanied with fervent prayer to God for guidance is also not something to look down upon as you once again do here. Rather, it is an ESSATIAL part of any Christians life. We are not to be guided by man, but by God.
Your words here are…. frankly grossly inaccurate stereotypes and ignore the evidence right in front of you. Not to mention very offensive as well.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Nope. That’s not it. What you’ve described is head knowledge. Discernment is seeing with the “soft eye.” It’s intuitive knowing, not empirical knowing. Do you have such experiences?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
How are you “convicted?”
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I’m asking the same question, and, from his posts, I don’t think he’s recognizing the intuitive process. It’s all “critical thinking.”
Well as my ministry has been to reach Mormons , Jehovah witnesses ect with the gospel I have had plenty of interaction with such groups through my work , street preaching. Every time I've spoken to a Mormon this is the type of explanation I've witnessed from them .
So it's ok for you to bear false witness about me to my face?
NO!!! And no, you've not remotely convince me that you are the "true Christian" here-- quite the opposite actually.