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Christians what do you think about Trump's convictions

Muffled

Jesus in me
Christians should care about justice. That wasnt justice it was revenge.
From a Christian perspective once a person receives Jesus as Lord and Savior the past is washed away and all things become new but that doesn't work in law or politics.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, human rights and freedom are more important than submitting to quacks. In any case, I think people should be free to help others, if they want, not forced to do so, especially when the "help" is not necessary good. When people have the right to decide by themselves, they can have some control over is the money used in a good way.

So since you didn't answer whether human life was more important than money, I guess it's the latter with you.

And about Jesus, did he ask for money to heal people? No, maybe you should also not ask for money.

The tithe was mandatory in eretz Israel, and this included helping widows and the poor. In the Parable of the Widow's Mite, Jesus didn't state nor imply that tithing was unfair and should be stopped. Why would he put money over human life and suffering, or as somehow being equal in importance, as you seemingly are doing?

Maybe ask you pastor which is more important.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know anything about a paper trail. An appeal wouldn't work if that were the case. And the jury in their deliberations did not ask for paper but for witness statements which indicates they didn't have enough on paper.

There were two documents with Trump's signature shown at trial that shifted money illegally so as to pay off Stormy Danials.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
So since you didn't answer whether human life was more important than money, I guess it's the latter with you.



The tithe was mandatory in eretz Israel, and this included helping widows and the poor. In the Parable of the Widow's Mite, Jesus didn't state nor imply that tithing was unfair and should be stopped. Why would he put money over human life and suffering, or as somehow being equal in importance, as you seemingly are doing?

Maybe ask you pastor which is more important.
Why do you assume its the latter?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
What is the main difference between you and a fetus, the difference why you can't be aborted but a baby can be?

When has he done that, and where?

Better life in a war crazy country that can't even take care of its own borders and has things so badly that great number of people can't stand it without poisoning themselves with fentanyl?

I think it is wrong to force people to pay "healthcare" for others. But, obviously, if you don't care about the people who are forced to pay it, then I see why it is so easy for you to spent other peoples money.

So, there is either option 1, kill the baby, or option 2, pay everything?

I think public schools and healthcare are not very good, so I can't really advocate them. And I think people should take care of themselves and not eat food that is not good for them. I think it is disturbing that many people like to treat others like they are mindless idiots, even when they are over 18.

I believe it would be better so, then people have better chance to control that their kids don't get bad education. It is not good, if power is concentrated to small elite. As you may know, power corrupts, and the more power government has, the more corrupt it will be.

You could think this also like this: if education comes from government, what if government would be filled with people who have ideas you don't approve? Some day it could be that there would be fundamentalists who would not even know what a woman is, and then they would force some ridiculous pseudoscience to all, make people believe all kind of ridiculous claims like, buying more electric cars makes the weather gooder....:D

Poor states struggle, because they have done things badly. They should elect leaders who can make good decisions. And it can be that many resources are not really necessary for good education.

:D

Yes, and if there would be fairness, he would get at least 91 million from Biden for defaming her. And actually also the other people who have defamed her should pay the same. But, obviously we know that the people are above the law and don't have to pay for the same "crime" Trump did.

In such a corrupt system he has no chance.

Witnesses? People who saw what happened? Really? That she doesn't remember when it happens makes her not very credible. But, my point is not to say she is not credible, only that the woman who accuses Biden is at least as credible.

"Carroll has said that she believes the alleged attack at Bergdorf Goodman occurred in the evening on a day between the fall of 1995 and the spring of 1996, and under questioning from her own lawyer on Wednesday, she added that she believes it took place on a Thursday... ...
But Carroll has repeatedly said she can’t recall exactly what date it happened."


I am not right, nor left, I am above that because left and right are only the opposite sides of communism/socialism. There is really no difference in practice.
Trump's crimes aren't "crimes."
They're actual crimes, adjudicated in courts of law. REAL crimes. Not just speculative ones, like with Joe Biden. REAL CRIMES.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I support things that are good for the people. I don't think any government funded thing is good for the people.
This was in response to, "Cool, so you support full healthcare coverage for pregnant women, free school lunches for kids, maternity leave, welfare programs for single mothers, daycare coverage, gun reform, access to contraception, etc.?"


Well, if you wanna force people to have babies, then you need to support those things listed above, for starters.
Or change your tune.
Otherwise, I don't really believe you're "pro-life." It just makes you pro-fetus. You don't care much about the life after it's born, if you don't support the above.
Please give source for that information.
I already have.


That is weird, Trump has not defended himself? Why is that?
He knows he's guilty. And he knows if he takes the stand he will not only incriminate himself further, but also perjure himself.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
OJ Simpson was also found NOT guilty by a jury. Does that mean he didn't murder anyone?
He was later found civilly liable for their deaths.

"Although Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case, he was also sued by the victims’ families for wrongful death, and the civil trial began in October 1996. Less than four months later, that jury found him responsible for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman and awarded their families $33.5 million in damages."



Oh wait, you guys don't accept civil judgements. Or criminal ones.

The Central Park 5, convicted of killing a jogger in Central Park. Oh, but then it's INjustice when a jury convicts.
Democrat double-standards.
They were acquitted.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I was responding to the assertions that if a jury decides someone is guilty or not, then it's somehow established as settled fact.
It is. The fact being that the jury found the person guilty, and the person is now considered a convicted felon in the eyes of the law. That is the fact.

You don't just get to say "Oh well I don't agree with the jury's decision so I'm not a convicted felon." You are still a convicted felon.
But I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand that. Too simple.
From the person who doesn't accept civil liability or criminal convictions? Please.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Trump's crimes aren't "crimes."
They're actual crimes, adjudicated in courts of law. REAL crimes. Not just speculative ones, like with Joe Biden. REAL CRIMES.
Whats real is falsifying business records is a misdemeanor not a felony. What's real is the statute of limitations ran out on those "crimes" long ago. What's real is crack big hunter was peddling his old man's influence around the globe. It's good to have a D after ones name isnt it?
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Such as yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater if there's no fire. There are laws against slander, ...
In these cases it is not about freedom of speech, but about causing falsely harm to others. Speech should be free, but if you for example lie so that it harms others, you would be guilty for the harm done and deserve penalty for that what you did to the other person. For example if one would say to other person something that leads to death of the other person, the crime is murder.

This means also, if medical company told a vaccine is safe and then many people die because of it, they are murderers and deserve the penalty that is for murderers. This is why no need to limit freedom of speech. It is enough to give punishment for murder and deceit....

And in any case, I think listeners should always think that not all that they hear or read is necessary true.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
So since you didn't answer whether human life was more important than money, I guess it's the latter with you.
Human life and freedom is more important. That is why I am against forcing others to give their money.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
That was the justification the Trump administration gave, but investigations found this to be untrue. Children were taken from migrant families, and they were given to many unknown people. The Biden administration has been working to find the kidnapved children and reunite them with their families, but they haven't been about to find about 5-600 children, mostly due to bad record keeping by Trump's crew.
If that is true, it is bad. However, the main problem in this case is, they should not have left their country at the first place.
So you are saying that the migrants shouldn't have trusted Trump and his administration.
I say, the migrants should first check how to do it correctly. Difficult to understand how some people don't seem to care about their own kids at all, when they try to move to another country.
How would they have been informed of the threat to their children and families?
If they didn't know anything, they should have stayed home. Ignorance is no good excuse.
Wouldn't the Christian thing be to not kidnap children?
Yes, no one should kidnap anyone.
If drug use is so prevalent then we need better mental healthcare access.
Or you should solve why the conditions are so bad in your country that people need drugs to handle it.
Of course since our healthcare system is for-profit
Public healthcare is for-profit also, for the profit of the people working in that field.
and mental healthcare is expensive
It should be free. Public healthcare is not really free, even if you are not paying it. People should take care of each other freely, without paying anything.
So you think it is evil that sharing resources in society that teaches children, has police and fire departments, paves roads, has sewers, offers transportation, and can help starving families make ends meet? Feel free to point out the evil.
The evil is that in the name of common good, people are forced to pay not only that, but lot of other useless things.

A good example of why government and their handling of any work is evil is this Californian bullet train.


Every good and useful thing is possible without government. But much corruption is not as easy without government.
In essence you want humans to behave no different than animals in the wild fighting for resources, and those who can't compete will just die off. Where in your Bible does it say "every man for himself, and screw thy neighbor"?
Not supporting tyrannical governments is not the same as not helping others. I think everyone should help those that are near them, but no one should be forced to pay.
...Leave it to liberals...
Liberals? :D
There is the ethical right, and the unethical right. the far right is definately unethical and immoral, namely as MAGAs. The ethical right are those rare, old school republicans like Romney, Liz Cheney,
I don't see how you can support evil warmongers.
The moral decline of republicans is due to Trump
I disagree with that.
 
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