metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, money is more important than human life? How does that fit into what Jesus taught?
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Christians what do you think about Trump's convictions
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So, money is more important than human life? How does that fit into what Jesus taught?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's obvious you are not paying attention to the news, and then when you run across something you don't want to accept, you just reject it out of hand.
I don't have time as I'm out of the country and am settling in but should be home sometime next week.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If both are against freedom of speech, maybe best choice it to vote for Kennedy.
Freedom of speech has some limitations by necessity, especially when it involves human life.
Laniakea
Not of this world
What did Jesus say about forcing others to pay for what you want?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Jesus was an observant Second Temple Jew. He taught the Jews to obey the Torah. Part of the Torah is TZEDAKAH, which is usually translated as charity, but some translate it as social justice. The Torah teaches a shlew of things, commandments meant to assist the poor. For example, anyone an enter an orchard or field, and eat to they are satisfied, and it is not theft. With regards to Tzedakah, Jews are to give ten percent. It is not a voluntary thing as in Christianity -- it was an obligation.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And in the Parable of the Widows Mite, Jesus praises the widow for going beyond the necessity of the Law with her charitable giving, thus not taking a position that the Law was unnecessary.
Tinker Grey
Wanderer
If religion could make such a poor person give everything she had (to the temple, note), then religion is evil.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It doesn't translate into "everything", plus it's a parable.
Tinker Grey
Wanderer
It is NOT a parable. Luke alleges it to have happened. Luke 21:1-4
And v4?
- NKJV: put in all the livelihood that she had.
- NIV: put in all she had to live on
- ESV: put in all she had to live on
- NASB: put in all that she had to live on.
- KJV: hath cast in all the living that she had.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Generally speaking, theologically it's considered to be a parable, which doesn't necessarily mean that it did or did not actually happen. It's the moral of the story that's most important as the early church had decided about Jesus' parables.
I won't play your game. Trump was convicted of 34 felonies by jurors who were approved by his lawyers.
O J Simpson and the "Central Park 5" are unrelated cases.
Your absurd comment about Democrat double-standards shows that you are part of the Trump cult. (And I mean exactly that!)
Laniakea
Not of this world
I guess you're unable/unwilling to admit that juries often do get it wrong. Your resorting to personal insults in classic liberal diversion when you know you've lost the debate.
Why and what?
No, human rights and freedom are more important than submitting to quacks. In any case, I think people should be free to help others, if they want, not forced to do so, especially when the "help" is not necessary good. When people have the right to decide by themselves, they can have some control over is the money used in a good way.
And about Jesus, did he ask for money to heal people? No, maybe you should also not ask for money.
By what I see, they were separated usually from the human traffickers ("guardians"). And also, it is their own choice, if they want to be with their family, they could have stayed in home country. That is why I think it is wrong to accuse Trump for the separation, especially when there is also a legal way to get into U.S., with whole family.You must have ignored 7th grade science class. Not my problem. And you don't rebut what I stated about the right wing distorting words and meanings.
OMG, really? I guess right wing disinformation media didn't cover it.
Trump administration family separation policy - Wikipedia
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A Timeline of the Trump Administration's Family Separation Policy - American Oversight
An extensive timeline of the administration’s communications about family separation, including its public statements about the policy, internal discussions we uncovered through FOIA, public reporting, and agency investigations.www.americanoversight.org
Settlement over Trump-era family separations at the border limits future separations for 8 years
The agreement announced Monday also provides families that were split under the Trump administration with temporary legal status and short-term housing aid.www.pbs.org
No, I was just pointing out that how can you call life in U.S. better, when many of the people stand it only with drugs like fentanyl. If it would be a good place, there would be not fentanyl crisis.
How is forcing others to pay loving one another? I think it is utterly evil. Obviously it is nice, if people help others, but forcing people to be essentially slaves for others is wrong. It is ultra selfish and greedy to force others to pay.
From far left everything looks far right. But, it is better to be far right than far wrong.
I would like to know, what does "right" mean to you?
That was the justification the Trump administration gave, but investigations found this to be untrue. Children were taken from migrant families, and they were given to many unknown people. The Biden administration has been working to find the kidnapved children and reunite them with their families, but they haven't been about to find about 5-600 children, mostly due to bad record keeping by Trump's crew.
US reunites nearly 700 kids taken from parents under Trump
A federal task force has reunited nearly 700 children who were separated from their families during the Trump administration.
So you are saying that the migrants shouldn't have trusted Trump and his administration. How would they have been informed of the threat to their children and families? Many migrants have no access to media until the enter the USA and seek asylum. Then it's too late.
Wouldn't the Christian thing be to not kidnap children? What happened to the party of family values? I guess when you support a guy that cheats on his wife and newborn with a porn star that family values means nothing.
If drug use is so prevalent then we need better mental healthcare access. Of course since our healthcare system is for-profit and mental healthcare is expensive, most citizens are on their own, and illegal drugs cheaper than medical care. Conservatives help create that system where drug use is the cheaper option.
So you think it is evil that sharing resources in society that teaches children, has police and fire departments, paves roads, has sewers, offers transportation, and can help starving families make ends meet? Feel free to point out the evil.
In essence you want humans to behave no different than animals in the wild fighting for resources, and those who can't compete will just die off. Where in your Bible does it say "every man for himself, and screw thy neighbor"? I can't find it.
What I do see is Jesus teaching to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, and shelter the homeless. Jesus don't limit how that is done, just republicans who don't seem to repect anything Jesus taught. Your attitude strikes me as anti-Christ. What false teacher lied to you? And how did you get deceived?
No, far right, and ordinary right, is quite anti-Christ these days. Leave it to liberals to extend the moral decency that conservatives are unwilling to allow in their thinking and feeling.
There is the ethical right, and the unethical right. the far right is definately unethical and immoral, namely as MAGAs. The ethical right are those rare, old school republicans like Romney, Liz Cheney, among a few others like any Never Trumper. The moral decline of republicans is due to Trump, but also the citizens whose feelings have been manipulated by Trump and other opportunists. The right is essentially a toxic, co-dependent coalition of voters and leaders who are their own worst enemy. The solution will be if Biden can win, and the democrats take the House and Senate, and then republicans will be a chaotic and irrelevant mess that needs to face facts that they are not attractive to the majority of citizens.
I guess you're unable/unwilling to admit that juries get it right most of the time. You're resorting to personal insults in classic cultist diversion when you know you've lost the debate.
What is it about the American system of justice, based on arguments from both the prosecution and the defense, resulting in a decision -- in this case, 34 felonies, committed during the final days of a presidential campaign in a blatant attempt to hide the information and skew the election -- that you can't understand. He really has you brainwashed, doesn't he?
I'm putting you on "ignore", as I will only debate with rational people, not cultists.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Run! Run away!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Got any link to that?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I don't know anything about a paper trail. An appeal wouldn't work if that were the case. And the jury in their deliberations did not ask for paper but for witness statements which indicates they didn't have enough on paper.