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Christians..... you are not the saviors of the world.

I cant add much to this conversation except to say that these ancient people are a living history of the human species. Culturally and biologically they are nearly untouched by the rest of the world. They can teach us more about our past than can long dead bones. We know from history that if even one outsider comes in and makes close contact with them it could wipe out our our only known chance to understand ourselves from their living examples. I hear the christains exclaim "but they must be warned about hell" however, they have no proof of this hell. We do have proof of the damage our intrusion can cause.
Then again evidence is never considered by the fundamentalist.(please note, I did not lump all christians into this catagory)
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
The missionary was of course stupid to jump into a tank full of piranhas and expect to come out. But this doesn't change the fact that the natives inhabiting the island are paranoid savages. They have been known to shoot at anyone who enters their island, for any reason. Why they are given special protections is beyond my understanding.

I would remove protection also from home owners here who try to keep strangers entering their home all the time.

Do you agree?

Ciao

- viole
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Well, I won't comment on that, but I will say that a primitive, backwards, and barbaric tribe of people who isolate themselves from the civilized world and attack anyone who enters their area will most likely not be favored by natural selection for long.

At present, it seems that civilized missionaries are not so helped by natural selection either.

Ciao

- viole
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
It's not that... It's just that if it's true, let's not pretend like it's not.

I'm curious about any other strange behaviors they might have. Funny how the Indian government banned filming them. Seems like they have quite a few strange customs -so strange they're being kept hidden.

Strange behaviours?

You mean something really weird like believeing that if you are a male dressed funny and you whisper some words in latin you can literally turn a wafer into the body of a two thousand year old god?

I mean, how can they be stranger than that?

Ciao

- viole
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Only to intruders. I suspect they're also blood drinkers.

Really? Even without whispering magic latin words on some wine? Savages.

How can you drink human blood without a priest preparing it for you?

Ciao

- viole
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
Yes, it is well known that smallpox never killed anyone.

Are you vaccinated against it? If yes, why?

Ciao

- viole

I've actually researched smallpox. It's pretty much only fatal to babies. In adults, it can cause some minor hearing loss.

...Other than that, it's just the sniffles.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I've actually researched smallpox. It's pretty much only fatal to babies. In adults, it can cause some minor hearing loss.

...Other than that, it's just the sniffles.

Ok, so you are ok if babies in that tribe are killed by smallpox?
If not, why did you asked if they deserved it?

Cio

- viole
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Ok, so you are ok if babies in that tribe are killed by smallpox?
If not, why did you asked if they deserved it?

Cio

- viole

Only a small fraction of babies actually die from smallpox. About as many as the common cold.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Do what I've just done — put him on ignore. Whether he actually believes the rubbish he writes or is just a troll, he's clearly a waste of time.

Do what I've just done... uuuhhh...

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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Well, western culture brought an end to human sacrifice in various native tribes as well as the barbaric practice of burning widows alive in India. Of course there are negative aspects of colonialism, but I would argue that some cultures certainly are barbaric and in need of civilizing. I'm not saying that this should be done here, but to argue that western culture/colonization is all bad is clearly erroneous. There are aspects of it that have certainly improved the world.
FYI, accounts of human sacrifice are often exaggerated and used as atrocity propaganda by outsiders, both to dehumanize and titillate. The Spanish accounts of Mesoamerican human sacrifice cannot be trusted just as Roman accounts of human sacrifices by the Celts of Britain cannot be trusted. We inherited this unfortunate tendency to cultural smugness from the Greeks and then the Romans, who tended to view foreign peoples as barbaric brutes far beneath them (that includes your ancestors in Europe, if you're of Germanic, Celtic or Slavic descent). It's the same as how you wouldn't trust the Bible as an unbiased source of information about the peoples surrounding the Jews in the Hebrew Bible.

Here's an interesting article I recently came across: “There is no such thing as ‘Human Sacrifice’”
 
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