Circumcision should be banned

[Primordial Annihilator]

I did not say anything about your grandmother, or your grandfather. they might have endured a life as one of the most exceptional generations history. how ever what makes YOU Jewish?
what have you accomplished for the Jewish civilization? what Jewish individuality and creativity do you radiate?

I am not Jewish religiously but I am of Jewish descent.
I have done nothing for Jewish civilization except argue that Jewish boys and Muslim boys should not have to be mutilated for religious reasons....hope that helps...when they get older...then they can chop off what they like.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I think it's time to bow out of this discussion before I break my Buddhist precepts. Good day folks I'll come back after I breathe and re-focus.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Not really...you are missing the point...which was clear enough to me...

hmmm a piece of chin, which we'd all agree is clearly mutilation

a piece of skin from the tip of the penis, which has been a part of human civilization for thousands of years..... we would dispute that it is mutilation for very clear reasons

It doesn't compare! A piece of skin, a chuck of chin. Make as well compare it to decapitation.

 

[Apex]

Ah, this is a ******* contest.

I win!!

I should have thought it through before I went and tried to find a funny picture to go along with this by googling "******* contest"... I don't think I can post anything that came up.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

hmmm a piece of chin, which we'd all agree is clearly mutilation

a piece of skin from the tip of the penis, which has been a part of human civilization for thousands of years..... we would dispute that it is mutilation for very clear reasons

It doesn't compare! A piece of skin, a chuck of chin. Make as well compare it to decapitation.

What clear reasons?

:sarcastic

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

hmmm a piece of chin, which we'd all agree is clearly mutilation

a piece of skin from the tip of the penis, which has been a part of human civilization for thousands of years..... we would dispute that it is mutilation for very clear reasons

It doesn't compare! A piece of skin, a chuck of chin. Make as well compare it to decapitation.

How about a scar on the cheek?

Like circumcision, it's a long-practiced tradition.

Like circumcision, it only modifies a piece of skin.

Like circumcision, it's often done at an age where the person is too young to freely consent.

I should have thought it through before I went and tried to find a funny picture to go along with this by googling "******* contest"... I don't think I can post anything that came up.

I wonder whether a foreskin would be an advantage or a disadvantage in a ******* contest.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I think it's time to bow out of this discussion before I break my Buddhist precepts. Good day folks I'll come back after I breathe and re-focus.

You get a breather, I will hold the line

 

[Caladan]

I am not Jewish religiously but I am of Jewish descent.

You are not really following the debate are you?
Several Jewish men and women are longstanding members on this Forum and are not practicing religion.

I have done nothing for Jewish civilization except argue that Jewish boys and Muslim boys should not have to be mutilated for religious reasons....hope that helps...when they get older...then they can chop off what they like.

I have not asked if you have something against Jewish civilization or not. for some reason you thought its essential to 'clarify' that you are of Jewish descent.
where I come from, Jewish identity has to be earned, whether if its by blood, sweat, or tears. it is a life time of initiation.
You could be a Black Jew, a European Jew, an Oriental Jew. however what social fruits are you bringing to the round table at the end of each day?

 

[J2hapydna]

I personally have a problem with it in the same way I have a problem with infant baptism: IMO, a person's matters of faith and belief are their own. I think that when one person usurps the right of another to make their own free decision about what path to follow, then they have done that person a disservice. A child being baptized at 8 days old is not making a free decision.

How about languages, perhaps we should not teach our children our languages until they are 18 yo so they can decide which language they want to learn too.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

How about a scar on the cheek?

Like circumcision, it's a long-practiced tradition.

Like circumcision, it only modifies a piece of skin.

Like circumcision, it's often done at an age where the person is too young to freely consent.

Where?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How about languages, perhaps we should not teach our children our languages until they are 18 yo so they can decide which language they want to learn too.

Language is a necessary part of life. Religion is optional.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I wonder whether a foreskin would be an advantage or a disadvantage in a ******* contest.

I suspect not.

 

[Diogenes_the_cynic]

hmmm a piece of chin, which we'd all agree is clearly mutilation

a piece of skin from the tip of the penis, which has been a part of human civilization for thousands of years..... we would dispute that it is mutilation for very clear reasons

It doesn't compare! A piece of skin, a chuck of chin. Make as well compare it to decapitation.

The fact that the skin is there changes the nature of it alot. I'd much rather lose a bunch of skin from my arm than from the one piece of skin designed purely to bring plaeasure.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

You are not really following the debate are you?
Several Jewish men and women are longstanding members on this Forum and are not practicing religion.

So what?

I have not asked if you have something against Jewish civilization or not. for some reason you thought its essential to 'clarify' that you are of Jewish descent.
where I come from, Jewish identity has to be earned, whether if its by blood, sweat, or tears. it is a life time of initiation.
You could be a Black Jew, a European Jew, an Oriental Jew. however what social fruits are you bringing to the round table at the end of each day?

What are you talking about?

I dont want to earn Jewish identity thanks...whatever that means...I was just reassuring people that I am not a foaming nazi...quite the opposite in fact.

OK?

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Caladan...

The reason I brought my ancesty up was to show that I am not anti circumcision becuase I am anti semite....I was getting the vibe that people thought I was...maybe I was wrong...but either way you seemed to have read into that a lot deeper than I had anticipated.

You might not think I am jewish...but Hitler would have had me killed anyway

And not just for having jewish blood in my veins...

 

[J2hapydna]

Language is a necessary part of life. Religion is optional.

You do not know that. Religious education provides rich symbolic knowledge of important concepts and builds a child's imagination thru religious stories in my opinion. Religion is also the basis for family gatherings. These family and social connections are necessary in life too. Secondly, which necessary language should we be teaching our children, yours? If we are teaching our children Hebrew or Arabic then the most important and best written texts in these languages are religious and include the concept of circumcision. Our children can read them and then look down at their penis and understand where they belong in these stories.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Our children can read them and then look down at their penis and understand how they fit into these stories.

LOL...sorry that made me laugh.

Religion is not that important...not in the grand scheme of things.

Secular nations full of atheists do very well without religion.

Language however is vital.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You do not know that.

Of course I do. The fact that people like me function just fine without religion shows that it is optional. You may consider it very valuable, but that doesn't mean it's necessary.

Religious education provides rich symbolic knowledge of important concepts and builds a child's imagination thru religious stories in my opinion. Religion is also the basis for family gatherings. These family and social connections are necessary in life too.

Common religion is not necessary for family togetherness. My family includes Protestants, Catholics, atheists and Buddhists, but we all manage to come together as a family.

Secondly, which necessary language should we be teaching our children, yours?

For my children? Yes, I'll be teaching them my language. Here in Anglophone Canada, you kinda need to know English to get by.

For other cultures and countries, there are other predominant languages.

 

[J2hapydna]

Of course I do. The fact that people like me function just fine without religion shows that it is optional. You may consider it very valuable, but that doesn't mean it's necessary.


Common religion is not necessary for family togetherness. My family includes Protestants, Catholics, atheists and Buddhists, but we all manage to come together as a family.


For my children? Yes, I'll be teaching them my language. Here in Anglophone Canada, you kinda need to know English to get by.

For other cultures and countries, there are other predominant languages.

I suggest you give some imaginative thought to what I have said. I think you are getting sort of defensive.

regards,

J2

 

[J2hapydna]

For my children? Yes, I'll be teaching them my language. Here in Anglophone Canada, you kinda need to know English to get by.

Your children? I thought you wanted them to be their own people and make up their own minds and decide for themselves what is important.