Citing staffing issues and political climate, North Idaho hospital will no longer deliver babies.

[Secret Chief]

Carry on indeed. According to the Census bureau 5.5% of Sandpoint's residents are under 5 years old while over 17 percent are over 65. It's median age is 40, older than normal pregnancy age. Unless the Sandpoint gynecologists are seeing rampant pregnancies among those over 40 the need for obstetrics is shrinking. Like many small towns in America, it is greying and the number of births is steadily decreasing. This leads to less need for birth centers and some, like in Sandpoint, closing. It is demographics, not abortion restrictions that is the root cause.

How do you account for:

"Dr. Amelia Huntsberger, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Bonner General Health, said in an email to States Newsroom that she will soon leave the hospital and the state because of the abortion laws as well as the Idaho Legislature’s decision not to continue the state’s maternal mortality review committee.

“What a sad, sad state of affairs for our community,” Huntsberger wrote."

 

[Revoltingest]

Apologies. Seemed like it


I’m not. I think you agree with me on this issue. Perhaps I’m wrong
But you seem to acknowledge that your healthcare system, whilst great, is out of reach of your fellow Americastani.
Unless I’m mistaken?

We'd likely argue about what our solutions should be.
Mine...
- Less regulation of the industry.
- Government financed/provided basic health care.
- Regulating better environmental quality to reduce
carcinogens & respiratory irritants.

 

[Revoltingest]

Since this is a thread as good as anyone else, is socialism both that the government controls all means of production and property or only some?

I mean when you claim something is socialism, which of these 2 do you mean?

"The people" (which is government) control the means of production.
The typical basic dictionary definition.

 

[Revoltingest]

Always have to be careful what drugs you ban. Thalidomide, which caused so many horrible deformities in babies when taken for morning-sickness, turns out to be very useful against leprosy and multiple myeloma.

Lawmakers are ill equipped to deal with such complexities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Privates can manage all the sectors in the world. Finance, commerce, industry...
but healthcare is something serious and only the State should manage it.

Are you becoming more capitalistic now?
I'm shocked at the liberty espoused in your post!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

"The people" (which is government) control the means of production.
The typical basic dictionary definition.

You didn't answer the question. All or some?

 

[Estro Felino]

Are you becoming more capitalistic now?
I'm shocked at the liberty espoused in your post!

No...I was speaking about the American context only.

Europe is the paradise of socialism. It's another world.

 

[Revoltingest]

You didn't answer the question. All or some?

I thought I did.
Trying again....
If you're addressing a spectrum between
capitalism & socialism, it's all about which
end the system strongly leans towards.

 

[Secret Chief]

Europe is the paradise of socialism. It's another world.

It certainly is. I should visit it some time.

 

[Estro Felino]

It certainly is. I should visit it some time.

I thought you were British.

 

[Jose Fly]

It's fascinating to watch the conservatives in this thread try and wave this away as anything but what it actually is.

"Hospitals close all the time"....."There's no need for OB-GYN care in N. Idaho"

First of all, the hospital isn't closing. They'll still be open, but will no longer provide pregnancy, labor and delivery care.

Second, we don't need to speculate about the reasons they made this decision, because the hospital put out a news release. It's frustratingly difficult to find, but it contains the following excerpt...

"The Idaho legislature continues to introduce and pass bills that criminalize physicians for medical care nationally recognized as the standard of care. Consequences for Idaho Physicians providing the standard of care may include civil litigation and criminal prosecution.”

So at the very least, Idaho's anti-abortion laws are a significant factor in their decision.

 

[Stevicus]

"The people" (which is government) control the means of production.
The typical basic dictionary definition.

How does this concept mesh with the principle of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people?

 

[Revoltingest]

How does this concept mesh with the principle of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people?

Not very well. Governments running socialist economies
have always been non-democratic authoritarian regimes.
This is an emergent property of socialism & communism.

 

[Secret Chief]

I thought you were British.

I am.

 

[SomeRandom]

We'd likely argue about what our solutions should be.
Mine...
- Less regulation of the industry.
- Government financed/provided basic health care.
- Regulating better environmental quality to reduce
carcinogens & respiratory irritants.

Actually I kind of agree with you there

 

[Twilight Hue]

How do you account for:

"Dr. Amelia Huntsberger, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Bonner General Health, said in an email to States Newsroom that she will soon leave the hospital and the state because of the abortion laws as well as the Idaho Legislature’s decision not to continue the state’s maternal mortality review committee.

“What a sad, sad state of affairs for our community,” Huntsberger wrote."

Sounds like she's upset at a loss of revenue for her.

 

[Secret Chief]

Sounds like she's upset at a loss of revenue for her.

Or maybe she's being honest.

 

[Father Heathen]

Apologies. Seemed like it


I’m not. I think you agree with me on this issue. Perhaps I’m wrong
But you seem to acknowledge that your healthcare system, whilst great, is out of reach of your fellow Americastani.
Unless I’m mistaken?

Of course everything in the U.S. is "best" as long as you're rich. Otherwise, if you get a serious illness or injury, prepare for ruinous debt.

 

[Secret Chief]

Of course everything in the U.S. is "best" as long as you're rich. Otherwise, if you get a serious illness or injury, prepare for ruinous debt.

Or death.

- The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

 

[Father Heathen]

Sounds like she's upset at a loss of revenue for her.

Sounds like you're either being disingenuous or have ****-poor reading comprehension.

The imbecilic republicans' war on women made their routine practice too legally risky.

Let's not crawl on our belly to lick theocratic boots. Let's be better.
Prove that you actually give a **** about freedom. That or just drop the facade already.