Commandments by Christ.

[Meshak]

Then I think the Bible would favor suicide.

nope, serving Jesus to death does not mean suicide. We are to avoid all danger at all cost. We should not tempt God.

B) Come work for us.
What would you do?

Jesus' servants are working for God's kingdom, not for this world.

blessings.

 

[Avoice]

Here is what I think Jesus wants us to do and why.

(Mark 10:18-21) .*.*.“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. 19*You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20*The man said to him: “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth on.” 21*Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”

 

[sojourner]

Hey woah wait, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in military service and they consider themselves christian.

So? As citizens, they are still part of the government, and, as such, are complicit in what the military does -- whether they actually serve in the military or not.

 

[sojourner]

where did Jesus say it is ok to kill for self-defense?

Where did he say it wasn't?

 

[sojourner]

we also should know that Jesus uses a lot of hyperboles too. That's why it is important to know the whole messages what he is preaches.

His whole messages is non-violent, unconditional love. That does not mean we should tolerate evil deeds either, because tolerating evil is not love at all.

1. Could it not be that the whole "non-violence" thing is hyperbole on his part?

2. If his "whole message" is unconditional love, why does he then place conditions on that love when it comes to non-believers?

 

[sojourner]

what did He do with it? did He harm or kill anyone?

Bet he harmed more than a few... Ever been beaten with a whip?

 

[sojourner]

You are disregarding just about emerying I am saying.

Your reasoning is all out of context of Jesus' whole messages of "love".

Part of loving someone includes protecting them from harm.:foot:

 

[sojourner]

Why should I? do you know that I have many other responsibility too? Do you think Jesus wants me to abandon the other just because you say so?

I already told you you have to reason within context. Jesus also said pluck your eye if that causes you to lust. Jesus did not mean literally do it. He is saying to avoid sin at all cost.

I already told you that Jesus uses a lot of hyperboles too. And you keep repeating the same kind of arguments.

Oh, so plucking out your eye is hyperbole, but radical pacifism isn't? How do you know? What are the indicators that one is hyperbole and one is not?

 

[sojourner]

Readers,

Jesus says to "love your enemy", the military practice is not of Jesus. Jesus is not for the war. Jesus is Prince of peace.

We dont love our enemy by killing them.

Readers:

Nor do we love our neighbors by allowing them to be slaughtered by oppressive regimes.

Hmm... both are apparently commanded by Jesus. So... now whaddo we do???
Gotta pick one. But if we pick one, we ignore the other one. It would seem that by being absolutist in legalism, we back ourselves into a conundrum from which there is no escape. Perhaps "following Jesus" isn't all about commandments and legalism, after all? Just a suggestion.

 

[Meshak]

Here is what I think Jesus wants us to do and why.


Quote:
Originally Posted by NWT
(Mark 10:18-21) .*.*.“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. 19*You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20*The man said to him: “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth on.” 21*Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”


Yes!

 

[sojourner]

The world is dead to Jesus. His followers should not involved with world affairs. God want us to live with Him in new world which is His kingdom.

This theology completely precludes the necessity for Jesus' Incarnation. Congratulations! You've rendered Jesus completely unnecessary. If this world is dead, why should we "follow Jesus' commands to love others while we're here? Let's just all drink the Kool-aid and get our sweet butts to the hereafter, where we really belong.

 

[sojourner]

I am not playing my faith, friend.

but suit yourself.

good day.

Sure you are! You put your beliefs out here on a debate forum. That, by definition, is playing your faith.

 

[sojourner]

We are to avoid all danger at all cost.

And sometimes "avoiding danger at all costs" involves beating back the wolves. Or else the "all costs" proviso has not been met.

 

[sojourner]

Here is what I think Jesus wants us to do and why.


Quote:
Originally Posted by NWT
(Mark 10:18-21) .*.*.“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. 19*You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20*The man said to him: “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth on.” 21*Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”


Yes!

I notice you still seem to have a computer. Why haven't you sold it, since it is included in the set of "what things you have?"

 

[savagewind]

I notice you still seem to have a computer. Why haven't you sold it, since it is included in the set of "what things you have?"

Low blow and sarcastic from where I am sitting. Are you spreading sarcasm?

 

[Shermana]

Low blow and sarcastic from where I am sitting. Are you spreading sarcasm?

I'm still waiting for him to explain his take on "Give to everyone who asks of you", apparently there's exceptions because when I asked him he says he has other responsibilities. But no exceptions on other rulings he chooses to interpret his own way of course.

So does anyone want to explain what "Give to anyone who asks of you and don't ask for it back" means?

 

[sojourner]

Low blow and sarcastic from where I am sitting. Are you spreading sarcasm?

How is it a low blow? The poster advocates following Jesus' commands, and applauded another poster for posting the passage about giving up whatever you own. If the poster owns a computer, then, he's not practicing what he preaches. It's that simple. My post shows how absurd it is to force Xy into a legalistic conundrum that completely undermines any theology of grace.

 

[savagewind]

How is it a low blow? The poster advocates following Jesus' commands, and applauded another poster for posting the passage about giving up whatever you own. If the poster owns a computer, then, he's not practicing what he preaches. It's that simple. My post shows how absurd it is to force Xy into a legalistic conundrum that completely undermines any theology of grace.

One must balance the words of The Lord. She owns a computer to study God's Word, to preach God's Word, to find other disciples, And other necessary things. Some people use the internet as a phone, do they not? Do you believe "sell what you own" means your phone? Would Paul give up his scrolls? OMG think of the money he might have made for the orphan and the widow.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

sigh, God's love is divine, but it is not unconditional. What scripture ever claimed God's love to be unconditional?

Divine Love - Liahona Feb. 2003 - liahona

 

[sojourner]

One must balance the words of The Lord. She owns a computer to study God's Word, to preach God's Word, to find other disciples, And other necessary things. Some people use the internet as a phone, do they not? Do you believe "sell what you own" means your phone? Would Paul give up his scrolls? OMG think of the money he might have made for the orphan and the widow.

First of all, the poster in question has an undisclosed gender identity, so IDK whether it's a "he" or a "she."

Second, she advocates, by her posts here, for a strict, literalistic and legalistic interpretation of "Jesus' commands." What I'm trying to point out, by way of hyperbole, is that such an approach is neither responsible, nor realistic. It sounds good when applied to such lofty concepts as "world peace," but quickly becomes picayune when its explored in any practical, functional -- or even theological -- way.

You're absolutely correct: One must balance and weigh texts. The poster, in this instance, seems unwilling to do that. She merely makes narrow and irresponsible statement and then passes judgement on all who disagree with it -- and then places everyone who presents a strong argument against her position on "ignore." She's most welcome to do that, but I can't see how that action could prove to be in any way maximizing a return on the investment made in being here.