Commandments by Christ.

[Shermana]

It seems that you are panicked with your arguments,IMO.

How am I panicked with my arguments?

You apparently want to follow a rigid, literal, one-dimensional interpretation of what Jesus says concerning violence the way you see it (whether or not it follows correct context).

But not when it comes to the commandment about someone asking you for something.

So why don't you tell us your interpretation on what "give to anyone who asks of you" means.

And while you're at it, why don't you answer the question: "Is it okay to use force to protect your child". I've only asked you over 10 times by now.

Why don't you just be honest and say "No, I don't believe one is allowed to use force to protect their child", that way I'll stop asking each time.

How odd that you would keep avoiding that question.

I mean, what kind of person would repeatedly avoid a question of whether its okay to protect their kids?

 

[Meshak]

Oh what's that? You mean you don't want to follow what Jesus says and give to anyone who asks you? You mean there's exceptions and context and hyperboles at stake?

You see, you are panicked with this kind of questions, IMO.

Jesus followers have to have discernment to follow Him how to read His word. If we dont, will not be obedient to Him, we will pick selfishly and conveniently, like most mainstream church people do. thats why they approve of the military practice.

the military practice is nothing but political and Jesus says His followers are not of this world. The politics are of this world. They should stay out of it.

Ok, I am done with you, my firend.

good day.

 

[Shermana]

And also interestingly, when the text says that Jesus says to obey EVERYTHING the Pharisees say, you say there's something wrong with the text. That was my original issue until you somehow turned this into your favorite issue of non-violence (of which you ignore and dismiss the counter-arguments each and every time).

But apparently there can't be anything wrong with the text in a situation where you agree with the teaching?

 

[Meshak]

Readers,

Jesus says to "love your enemy", the military practice is not of Jesus. Jesus is not for the war. Jesus is Prince of peace.

We dont love our enemy by killing them.

 

[Shermana]

You see, you are panicked with this kind of questions, IMO.

No Meshak, it seems to be YOU who is panicked, which is why you are trying your best to dodge and avoid any counter-arguments to your position.

Jesus followers have to have discernment to follow Him how to read His word. If we dont, will not be obedient to Him, we will pick selfishly and conveniently, like most mainstream church people do. thats why they approve of the military practice.

But apparently you get to pick and choose conveniently when you give to someone who asks of you. So what if I ask you to give me everything you have left after you've taken care of your responsibilities? What did Jesus mean by that? Why is it you get to have discernment on that teaching but not another?

the military practice is nothing but political and Jesus says His followers are not of this world. The politics are of this world. They should stay out of it.

And Romans 13 says to do whatever your government says to do. And I'm not even talking about military service here, I'm talking about PROTECTING YOUR CHILD!

Ok, I am done with you, my firend.

good day.

[/quote]Okay, but maybe you might want to look like you're not trying to dodge the question of whether its okay to protect your child over 10x in a row when asked. How do you think that looks?

How did this tangent even get here from my original point about obeying "EVERYTHING" the Pharisees tell you?

 

[Meshak]

You can have your last word, friend. You are on ignore.

good day.

 

[Shermana]

You can have your last word, friend. You are on ignore.

good day.

Excellent. Thank you for showing that you ignore people who poke holes in your argument that you can't account for. And thank you for showing that you'd rather not discuss your position on whether it's okay to protect your kids. (A question you've been asked over 10 times in a row with strangely no reply whatsoever).

And thank you for pointing out that "righteous anger" can involve violent intimidation with a deadly weapon and destruction of property.

Now back to my original point: Jesus commanded full obedience to the Pharisees in authority, with the exception of not imitating their hypocrisy and disobedience to the commandments.

 

[Meshak]

mistake.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Jesus' commandments [include] what we call the Golden Rule: Love your enemies as you love yourself....

With the important note that the scriptures of ALL the great religions include the Golden Rule, including those that long predated Christianity.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[savagewind]

With the important note that the scriptures of ALL the great religions include the Golden Rule, including those that long predated Christianity.

Peace,

Bruce

Seeing that this time the command came from heaven I guess now it is official.

 

[dantech]

Excellent. Thank you for showing that you ignore people who poke holes in your argument that you can't account for. And thank you for showing that you'd rather not discuss your position on whether it's okay to protect your kids. (A question you've been asked over 10 times in a row with strangely no reply whatsoever).

And thank you for pointing out that "righteous anger" can involve violent intimidation with a deadly weapon and destruction of property.

Now back to my original point: Jesus commanded full obedience to the Pharisees in authority, with the exception of not imitating their hypocrisy and disobedience to the commandments.

Frustrating, isn't it...

 

[Jainarayan]

good grief, you think getting angry and killing people are the same thing?

You claim Jesus taught non-violence. It's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line?

Ever see the movie Red Dawn, the original and remake? If a hostile nation invaded your country, would you just roll over and let them kill you and your loved ones, or would you defend yourself?

 

[Jainarayan]

where did Jesus say it is ok to kill for self-defense?

Where did he say it's not?

 

[Jainarayan]

Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

Peter went on the offensive. That was wrong.

 

[Jainarayan]

With the important note that the scriptures of ALL the great religions include the Golden Rule, including those that long predated Christianity.

Peace,

Bruce

Indeed. Buddhism stresses compassion:

"Compassion is that which makes the heart of the good move at the pain of others. It crushes and destroys the pain of others; thus, it is called compassion. It is called compassion because it shelters and embraces the distressed." - The Buddha.

Ananda asked, "Would it be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is a part of our practice?"

The Buddha replied, "No. It would not be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is part of our practice. It would be true to say that the cultivation of loving kindness and compassion is all of our practice."

This was 500 years before Jesus.

 

[Meshak]

You claim Jesus taught non-violence. It's a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line?

Ever see the movie Red Dawn, the original and remake? If a hostile nation invaded your country, would you just roll over and let them kill you and your loved ones, or would you defend yourself?

I will repeat:

Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. The world is dead to Jesus. His followers should not involved with world affairs. God want us to live with Him in new world which is His kingdom.

 

[Meshak]

Peter went on the offensive. That was wrong.

Yes, and Jesus rebuked HIm. Peter was a new follower, He did not know Jesus fully but he became non-violent after Jesus went up to His Father.

 

[Jainarayan]

I will repeat:

Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. The world is dead to Jesus. His followers should not involved with world affairs. God want us to live with Him in new world which is His kingdom.

Yes, and Jesus rebuked HIm. Peter was a new follower, He did not know Jesus fully but he became non-violent after Jesus went up to His Father.

You know what, have your beliefs, skewed as I believe they are. I don't have the inclination, time or desire to play.
Shubhamastu bhadram te (cheers, all blessings to you). ॐ

 

[Meshak]

You know what, have your beliefs, skewed as I believe they are. I don't have the inclination, time or desire to play.
Shubhamastu bhadram te (cheers, all blessings to you). ॐ

I am not playing my faith, friend.

but suit yourself.

good day.

 

[Skwim]

I will repeat:

Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead. The world is dead to Jesus. His followers should not involved with world affairs. God want us to live with Him in new world which is His kingdom.

Then I think the Bible would favor suicide. It's like being employed in a dreadful, dead-end job, and there's a far better one waiting for you. What would that potential employer, who is concerned with your welfare, say to you?

A) Stay where you are and suffer.
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OR

B) Come work for us.
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What would you do?