Communism - why does America hate it?

[Bismillah]

really? i thought that that was anarchy....

I believe, the final stage of communism is ridding itself of all political leaders.

FDR....Hmmmm....Great man. Great guy....but his politics were not to my liking. I loved how he handled the depression and WWII. If we had him giving fireside adresses today people would be more calm about the economy. Instead we have somebody yelling at us to do what he wants, or we will never see this nation turned around....basically, Obama needs to emmulate FDR. He has the oppurtunity to be that president who we look back on and say, "Well who cares if he had liberal policies, because he was a stand-up guy, who genuinly cared about us."

FDR spent huge sums of money on stimulus packages focusing on revitalizing the economy. He was very pro big government. Similar to another politician?

Also if Obama spent his time on fireside addresses then the loons like Beck would be screaming that he's indoctrinating them at their own home, their private domain, or something to that affect.

 

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Yes, its sad but true. Unfortunately, people probably over-critique the president these days. They arent really even that important. In my mind Congress basically runs the show.

 

[T-Dawg]

CPUSA Online - FAQ's

Here's the FAQ on the American Communist Party. They sound like pretty good guys, should I check out their youth movement? Young Communist League USA -

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There is very little difference for a population to be ruled by extreme communism or extreme capitalism. They have no choices either way.

Corporate Capitalism sits just below the surface of Communism... watch the oligarchs at work, and think where they learned their trade.

The worlds Capitalists have seen how the oligarchs function, and are following suite.

Soon all the major democracies will be controlled by international corporations, which in turn will be owned by oligarchs.

We are not free now, Think wat it will be like.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

We are not free now, Think wat it will be like.

What exactly are you not free to do now?

 

[Ukonkivi]

People tend to omit things from the Bible they don't like.
There are a lot of conflicting verses. So they just go with the ones they believe in.

OP, you remind me of an older me. Who before I professed the Paganism I always wanted to be and gave into the religion of my parents, used to be some extreme lefty always on the attack of studies on evolutionary psychology on race and sex as being "social darwinism", to most Atheists and ect., I was just some paranoid black metal hating looney Christian who used Nazi associations as an attack stance on anti-Christianity and was an extremely Unorthodox Socialist Communist that would make people turn heads because they didn't associate Christianity with those extreme left things or the extreme right with non-Christian things. Due to AMERCA cultural washing, of course.

Now I've finally given into Pagan I always wanted to be again. And sometimes the Atheists even, timidly and wroughtfully. And even the NSBM fans I so fought again.
I used to listen to a bunch of Christian music and antifa stuff. Now I listen to a bunch of Pagan music and Nazi stuff.:/

It's easy to feel like Christianity is Communism and Anti-Christianity is Far-Right when the only Anti-Christians you've had contact with think that people from Norway and Scandinavia are the best people on Earth, attack Jesus for being a Jew, throw around Nazi imagery ambiguously and talk about A Will To Power and listen to nothing but Neofolk, Martial Industrial, NSBM, Nazi Punk, and all white artists who are not of those genres. And not to mention frequently say back things about non-white groups in general.

This was my experience with Christianity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9c24_lw_24

This was my first experience with anti-Christianity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8ZNaCqiG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5POrC4H7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdNMo9_bl2o

To this day, I honestly don't know if I've become more open minded or just more racist since dropping my Christianity.
My parents would say the latter and that racism is a sin and that I'm becoming a sinful racist because I no longer have Jesus in my heart.
Of course, this is the same religion that won't accept my Bisexuality. So no thank you.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What exactly are you not free to do now?

I can be arrested for taking a photograph of a policeman.
I can be tracked by my mobile phone signal.
I have a vote, but can not influence the government about anything.
I can not draw out more than around £1400 in cash from my bank in any 24 hour period.
I can be arrested and held with out charge or contact for up to 28 days.
Freedom of speech is limited by law.

These things are all in place to assist good government.

I could go on.......

This applies to every citizen

 

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.....this is ridiculous. If we were communist we would have no freedoms.

 

[tumbleweed41]

However if we were more socialist we would have more.

 

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How so?

 

[Twilight Hue]

However if we were more socialist we would have more.

Your gonna have to explain this one a bit more TW.

 

[T-Dawg]

.....this is ridiculous. If we were communist we would have no freedoms.

WOW. You obviously know nothing about communism...

Under communism, we would have far MORE freedoms than under our pathetic capitalist system that relies on the exploitation of the many in favor of the few.

 

[Twilight Hue]

WOW. You obviously know nothing about communism...Under communism, we would have far MORE freedoms than under our pathetic capitalist system that relies on the exploitation of the many in favor of the few.

I'm sure Hu Jintao and Stalin (if he were alive) would wholeheartly agree with you as they are truly experiencing outstanding freedom to do what they want. I can't however speak for anyone else who had lived under communist rule. Perhaps this woman can.

YouTube - President Hu Jintao heckled at the White House

 

[tumbleweed41]

Revisionist democratic socialism ensures that all are equally treated, that the laborer has the same rights as the executive, that basic human needs are met and the rights ensured by our original Bill of Rights are maintained.

 

[T-Dawg]

I'm sure Hu Jintao and Stalin (if he were alive) would wholeheartly agree with you as they are truly experiencing outstanding freedom to do what they want. I can't however speak for anyone else who had lived under communist rule. Perhaps this woman can.YouTube - President Hu Jintao heckled at the White House

Ok... so what's the point of the video? I saw a woman protesting, and her getting carried away. Do you honestly believe that that would have gone differently in the US if, say, she protested Bush's mass murder in Iraq?

Also, Stalin was only a communist in his words, and I don't know anything about Hu Jintao, but he's probably either not a true communist or not nearly as bad as you say. Stalin is to communism as Ronald Reagan (or more recently, George W Bush) is to democracy.

What's with everyone thinking that communism is essentially anti-democratic? Seriously, even the FAQ on the American Communist Party directly answers this... (and I did post the faq earlier, I think).

Do a little research. Chances are, everything you know about communism comes from McCarthyism (for those who don't know, McCarthy was one of the most evil scumballs around, who used fear of communism as a tool to gain power and was a main player in fueling the anti-communist and pro-far-right propaganda. The legacy he left is called McCarthyism, and forms the basis for the Ridiculously Far-Right and Faux News).

 

[Ukonkivi]

.....this is ridiculous. If we were communist we would have no freedoms.

Wait, this is the opposite of communism. Having less freedoms in the opposite of communism.
Why would you say that?

I'm sure Hu Jintao and Stalin (if he were alive) would wholeheartly agree with you as they are truly experiencing outstanding freedom to do what they want. I can't however speak for anyone else who had lived under communist rule.

Authoritarian Leftism is NOT the same as Communism.
Stalin was an Authoritarian Leftist, that is NOT Communism.
Communism is the extreme of Libertarian Leftism.
It is an anti-Statist political philosophy.

 

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has Communism changed since the Soviet Union?

 

[Alceste]

Its not a matter of it being a dictatorship, but a matter that the government has too much power! Communism is not just slightly more socialist than socialism. Thats just a high level of socialism. Communism is when the government controls everything. That actually means EVERYTHING. Would you honestly trust the current politicians to run your life? They dont care about you! They care about themselves! They care about getting re-elected. They care about the power involved in it. And people are just corrupt, evil, idiots. Period.

Again, socialism is not "communism jr."

Socialism:

• a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
• an economic system based on state ownership of capital

Communism

• a form of socialism that abolishes private ownership
• a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society

Here is something to consider: No matter what model of government you live under, SOMEBODY is controlling the majority of the capital. Do you want that person, or that group of people, to have no accountability for what is in your best interests (Capitalism), or do you want to ensure your interests are their primary concern (Socialism)? Do you want to be unable to remove them from power when they are horrifically irresponsible (Capitalism), or do you want to be able to fire them if society's resources are badly managed (Socialism)?

 

[Alceste]

has Communism changed since the Soviet Union?

What a bizarre question. Has democracy changed since France?

 

[T-Dawg]

What a bizarre question. Has democracy changed since France?

Lol, that's sorta like what I was thinking...

A lot of the same stuff people say about communism now (it won't work, it's against human nature, LOOK AT HOW IT FAILED IN THIS OTHER COUNTRY, etc) were being said about democracy a few centuries ago... remember revolutionary France? Everyone was pointing fingers to how their republic had failed miserably and turned into a reign of terror by the Jacobins. Sorta like how people are saying that communism failed in the soviet union.