Communism - why does America hate it?

[T-Dawg]

i just used that to back up my first point.

What first point? Unless I missed something, the post I quoted off of was your first post in this thread...

but if you think the US is a theif then i might as well agree with you.

Of course the US is a thief. As a capitalist society, it's upper class is a parasitic leech (thief) to the working class, and as a nation, it steals oil from the mideastern countries. Among other things . I hate America.

 

[Gharib]

Unfounded statement

are you saying the US isn't a comunist country in an indirect way?

 

[Gharib]

What first point? Unless I missed something, the post I quoted off of was your first post in this thread

my first point was that the US is a cominst country. then i backed it up with something that is a fact.

...Of course the US is a thief. As a capitalist society, it's upper class is a parasitic leech (thief) to the working class, and as a nation, it steals oil from the mideastern countries. Among other things . I hate America.

good thing i agreed with you when i did.

 

[T-Dawg]

my first point was that the US is a cominst country.

Er, what the heck? The US is anything but communist, which is why it's collapsing at an alarming rate. Europe and Canada have already turned to socialism and they're doing great (compared to us, anyway).

then i backed it up with something that is a fact.

What fact? You mean your comparison of communists to thieves? That's not a fact, that's a metaphor.

 

[Gharib]

Er, what the heck? The US is anything but communist, which is why it's collapsing at an alarming rate. Europe and Canada have already turned to socialism and they're doing great (compared to us, anyway).

if you compare the action of the US government to any cominst country of the past, i doubt you will see any big difference.

What fact? You mean your comparison of communists to thieves? That's not a fact, that's a metaphor.

the fact that theives hate other theives because they steal ano anothers jobs, just as a car dealer hates a car dealer, why would a democratic country hate a comunist country? it's like saying a car dealer hates a bike dealer.

 

[tumbleweed41]

i'm just going to answer your topic question;
because communists hate communists just as theives hate other theives.

Unfounded statement

are you saying the US isn't a comunist country in an indirect way?

I am saying that your statement of "because communists hate communists just as thieves hate other thieves" is unfounded.
What do you base your belief of communists hating communists? For that matter, your comparison of thieves hating thieves is equally unfounded.

 

[T-Dawg]

if you compare the action of the US government to any cominst country of the past, i doubt you will see any big difference.

.... read up on history some more. If anything, the US is going full speed ahead towards fascism (totaltarian, usually far-right, hate communists). The US has all of the economic characteristics of fascist countries (corporations having a huge influence on government, glorification of the military and war, using the schools to influence children [ie, through textbooks; history textbooks leave out important details, ie, Reagan's influence in Latin America, the CIA creating the Taliban and Al Queda under Reagan, the fact that we had several warnings before both Pearl Harbor and 9/11...], etc).

the fact that theives hate other theives because they steal ano anothers jobs, just as a car dealer hates a car dealer, why would a democratic country hate a comunist country? it's like saying a car dealer hates a bike dealer.

I have no idea how this is relevant to the discussion =/. Can you explain, please?

I am saying that your statement of "because communists hate communists just as thieves hate other thieves" is unfounded.What do you base your belief of communists hating communists? For that matter, your comparison of thieves hating thieves is equally unfounded.

Agreed.

 

[LittlePinky82]

McCarthyism

Yep and all that propaganda.

 

[sputnik323]

.... read up on history some more. If anything, the US is going full speed ahead towards fascism (totaltarian, usually far-right, hate communists). The US has all of the economic characteristics of fascist countries (corporations having a huge influence on government, glorification of the military and war

Historically far left groups have used fascism more often than far right. However, that said, both bush and obama and congress were/are taking us full speed towards it which is very scary.

But back to the thread topic, laws cannot stamp out greed from human nature. There will be rich people in communism and capitalism like there always has been. The death penalty has not stopped murders. I don't understand why people think communism will create equality - cause when has it done so? In theory it makes things equal... in practice greed always wins.

 

[shortfade2]

Agreed, Sputnik. I fail to see how being equal is such a paradise. Its not natural. Look at every animal that is social in the world. (I think every, but when I say every I mean dogs, lol) Wolves have social ranking withing their packs and it works for them. Not to say that the Omega wolf doesnt like it, but they live with it.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Agreed, Sputnik. I fail to see how being equal is such a paradise.

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)

This is what the Lord has commanded: Gather of it, every man of you, as much as he can eat; you shall take an omer apiece, according to the number of persons who each of you has in his tent. And the people of Israel did so; they gathered some more, some less. But when they measured it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; each gathered according to what he could eat
(Ex. 16:16-18)

Hmmm.....Biblical Socialism....

 

[Yes Man]

Its not natural.

Says you. Peter Kropotkin wrote on how many animals work through mutual aid and how it can be as beneficial and healthy as competition.

 

[shortfade2]

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)

This is what the Lord has commanded: Gather of it, every man of you, as much as he can eat; you shall take an omer apiece, according to the number of persons who each of you has in his tent. And the people of Israel did so; they gathered some more, some less. But when they measured it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; each gathered according to what he could eat
(Ex. 16:16-18)

Hmmm.....Biblical Socialism....

Hmmmm....Run through the church

Hmmmm....forced to do this

Hmmmm....Did it willingly

Hmmm....Dont the people of our churches do this on a smaller scale (mine does)

Hmmm...sounds a lot like the church was kindof a charity of sorts...Why dont we fund those instead of giving it to the government who screws everything up

@Yes Man: Lets use wolves... They help eachother. They help the Omega wolf out, but snap at it and in general dont like it. They all know their place in the pack and they do almost everything based on that order....now if you could explain how all of these wolves are equal and that equality is natural, please...

 

[tumbleweed41]

Hmmmm....Run through the church

Hmmmm....forced to do this

Hmmmm....Did it willingly

Hmmm....Dont the people of our churches do this on a smaller scale (mine does)

Hmmm...sounds a lot like the church was kindof a charity of sorts...Why dont we fund those instead of giving it to the government who screws everything up
.

So, you do not deny that a church itself can be a socialistic body?

 

[lamplighter]

Hmmm...sounds a lot like the church was kindof a charity of sorts...Why dont we fund those instead of giving it to the government who screws everything up

Oh I don't know....

The flamboyant Pentecostal preacher offered the crowd a multimedia tour of his proposed $30 million shrine to faith healing and solicited donations to pay for it. The start of construction was imminent, he told followers.

Mr. Hinn's "World Healing Center" never materialized. After a few months, he stopped talking about the project. His tax-exempt ministry did not have to give a public accounting of how much money he raised or how it was spent, and it didn't.

DallasNews.com | What happened to Hinn's promised healing center?

NEWARK – The pastors of a Randolph-based church who were accused of diverting congregation donations for their own personal use, including purchase of 78-foot schooner and a $1.6 million property in Mendham, have agreed to reimburse donors and immediately resign from the church’s board.

State of New Jersey | Office of the Attorney General | Pastors of Morris County Church to Reimburse Congregants for Misappropriated Donations

@Yes Man: Lets use wolves... They help eachother. They help the Omega wolf out, but snap at it and in general dont like it. They all know their place in the pack and they do almost everything based on that order....now if you could explain how all of these wolves are equal and that equality is natural, please...

We are human and capable of reason. We should not need an example as to why everyone should be treated equally. No one should suffer just because they weren't born by the "right" parents. Dominance hierarchy is bull **** when placed upon society at large.

 

[Yes Man]

Lets use wolves... They help eachother. They help the Omega wolf out, but snap at it and in general dont like it. They all know their place in the pack and they do almost everything based on that order....now if you could explain how all of these wolves are equal and that equality is natural, please...

I don't see why comparing humans and wolves so closely. Wolves are born with their genes and that pretty much makes what they are the rest of their lives. We are not entirely defined by our genes. But the way I see it, the Alpha (I believe you meant Alpha) wolf is usually the physically superior one of the whole group. Therefore, the whole pack is preserving the best genetic material to pass on to the next generation. Breeding isn't everything though. Obviously you have to hunt in order to eat and that's done best in packs. Without the pack, you just have a bunch of lone wolves having a more difficult time raising pups and hunting by themselves. Groups can get bigger things done than individuals.

 

[Zephyr]

Hierarchal social order sure must sound a lot better when you weren't born in the ghetto.

Also, Jesus wouldn't have wanted us to be equals. Isn't it obvious that he intended for some people to be rich and powerful while others live on the brink of starvation?

 

[shortfade2]

No, I do not want the differance to be so extreme, but I do not think that everyone being the same (to an extreme measure) would be a paradise! Would you like to be able to afford the same things as everyone else? Just thinking about high school, I couldnt stand it. Everybody would wear pretty much the same clothes, have the same supplies, etc. There wouldn't be much room for individuality. I do not want "People who live in the ghetto to stay in the ghetto" I want for people to have the option to get out of that situation, but I want individuality, and the ability to better oneself. This about if you are a genius. You are crazy smart and just finished high school as validictorian with a GPA of above a 4.0.....now the government assigns you a job. You can't choose based on your skills and abilities. And what about artists! What do we do with the people who have great artistic abilities? Is your job basically picked off of a test that tells you what you should do? Those tests almost never work. At the very least they would need to be improved.
The government uses a number to identify us...not very personal, eh? Do you believe it possible for a personalized basis for your assigned job? And what if we were all equal? Who deserves what jobs? Who is going to willingly choose to be a garbage man when you are as smart and as capable as that lawyer, or doctor, or that president? If we got to pick our own jobs, then why would anybody want to be manual labor and make as much as a guy who puts numbers into a computer? It will NEVER work.

EDIT: sorry for the brick wall post. If you dont want to read it, I dont blame you.

 

[shortfade2]

So, you do not deny that a church itself can be a socialistic body?

A willing one! It makes all the differance.

 

[Neo-Logic]

American hates Communism because it is the very opposite of our system of political economy. Capitalism fosters the open and free market ideal. Communism is the stage that is post-socialism, where central planning reigns. The two cannot fundamentally exist together, on the same plane, or close to it. It therefore, is our enemy as much as an enemy can be. That governments and political economies want to exist perpetually and that which requires its destruction to thrive is its nemesis.