So were the lies
Nor am i but it is an indication of the views of the public who attended... After the facts had been given
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So were the lies
Nor am i but it is an indication of the views of the public who attended... After the facts had been given
Notanumber
A Free Man
Some would dismiss this man as a deplorable but I would rather listen to what he has to say than a career politician such as Macron.
How many of us had heard about the loss of 120+ lives in Nigeria.
Silent Slaughter: Media Quiet as Muslims Kill Hundreds of Christians in Nigeria
I pay the BBC licence tax but I had to rely on Mike to find out about it.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
When a pro Brexit march that is going on at the same time and only attained under a 1000 people at best The I million or so gives a fair Idea of the relative support. Not to mention the over 4 million that signed the Westminster petition for another referendum. the largest ever petition to parliament ( next largest under one million.)
These stats give some idea the way we in the UK are thinking.
Maybe, but I don't think it's the same thing as a referendum.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Of course not but it is indicative.
That is why we want another referendum, to take it beyond dispute.
We have already had a referendum. I prefer to stick with the result of that. I am not surprised by the numbers showing up at the rally and the numbers signing the petition. There were after all a very large number of those voting remain, not to mention those who couldn't vote but have a stake in the outcome, and the longer this mess goes on, the higher the chance of remainers getting what they want (which they very well understand).
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
You're assuming (incorrectly) that Cameron's initial intent was to act in the UK's best interest. It wasn't - it was to stop part of his voter base defecting to UKIP and costing the Conservatives seats. He put party politics before national interest.
It probably will be.
And now that Project Fear is fast being shown to be Project Reality and what the Leavers claimed is Project Fear. Unless you can prove otherwise by giving me a date for when Turkey will join the EU?
Which is just great because I'm not sure why the party that constitutes the official Opposition is not actually doing any opposing.
And have since voted that the UK can't leave with no deal. Parliamentary sovereignty.
What are you talking about? The Government faffed around for 3 years. Of course they're that stupid.
Soundbites all.
Is that really democracy?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yes, if as May and the rest keep saying "It is the will of the people" Then there should be no problem winning the second referendum.
Under the circunstances? Definitely. There is not much room for serious questioning, either.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Can you give us any reasons why people shouldn't be allowed to change their mind in a democracy?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
At least I'm not the only one wondering what's going on over all this. And good thing judges didn't let California vote on splitting the state into three. Removing that measure from the ballot probably saved the state from a very similar headache.
Here are a couple personal examples of the effect of this total mess.
Once article 50 comes into force i dont know if my kids can go to school here.
My hubby is in aftercare for cancer, we dont know if his treatment will continue.
I have a friend whos husband also has cancer. They are in the same predicament.
Thats just two families, there are about 1.3 million brits living in the EU and no one knows what the squabbling children on parliament are playing at.
I really can imagine suicides happening because that bunch of overpaid elected representatives cant get their act together.
Is 37% of the british people a democracy?
General elections are held every 5 years, people change their mind, hence the different parties that take office. Is that really a democracy?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So has the rest of the EU not been preparing? Or is it just too hard given the mess it's all in?
Yes they have prepared for 2 scenarios, exit with a deal and a no deal exit. That is the problem, no one knows what it will be. If there is a deal most things will continue as is, the only real change is that we wont be EU citizens and will have to apply for the right of residence. However if there is no deal the whole lot stops. The benefits which are provided across europe will no longer be available to brits living in europe
It is my understanding that one criticism made against May's Deal (which has been rejected by the House of Commons twice already, by historical results no less) is that it is too close to remaining in the EU.
I am not aware of the specifics, but I have learned that the UK's soon-to-end standing in the EU was actually very privileged - probably unfairly so, even - and it makes sense that anyone with a modicum of interest in the well being of the UK would attempt to preserve as much as possible of those privileges.
Ironically, that means giving up some of those privileges, including the right to vote on the European Parlament, while still having to subject the UK to some of most significant consequences of being in the EU. Probably worse, at least where trade is concerned.
All around, there is hardly an upside to speak of.
I am not aware of the specifics, but I have learned that the UK's soon-to-end standing in the EU was actually very privileged - probably unfairly so, even - and it makes sense that anyone with a modicum of interest in the well being of the UK would attempt to preserve as much as possible of those privileges.
Ironically, that means giving up some of those privileges, including the right to vote on the European Parlament, while still having to subject the UK to some of most significant consequences of being in the EU. Probably worse, at least where trade is concerned.
All around, there is hardly an upside to speak of.
One man one vote,I've been thinking that's democratic,also I though one having more votes than the other got the vote madame magnifique.
Did the people wanting a second vote actually change their minds or was it more just not the result they wanted?.
I disagree,the vote was straight forward,almost as simple as you could get,in or out,out got most votes unless goalposts are moved.