Congratulations to the British People

[England my lionheart]

Yes, if as May and the rest keep saying "It is the will of the people" Then there should be no problem winning the second referendum.

So what if the results the same?.

 

[England my lionheart]

It is my understanding that one criticism made against May's Deal (which has been rejected by the House of Commons twice already, by historical results no less) is that it is too close to remaining in the EU.

I am not aware of the specifics, but I have learned that the UK's soon-to-end standing in the EU was actually very privileged - probably unfairly so, even - and it makes sense that anyone with a modicum of interest in the well being of the UK would attempt to preserve as much as possible of those privileges.

Ironically, that means giving up some of those privileges, including the right to vote on the European Parlament, while still having to subject the UK to some of most significant consequences of being in the EU. Probably worse, at least where trade is concerned.

All around, there is hardly an upside to speak of.

You grasp it well Luis,we have never been fully in the EU but had a day in the politics,our standing in the EU has been high but the downside is that there is no benefit to the whole populace,the wealthier for sure but the less wealthy no.

 

[ChristineM]

One man one vote,I've been thinking that's democratic,also I though one having more votes than the other got the vote madame magnifique.

You are deliberately ignoring the vast change in knowledge and understanding of the consequences which likens it to my general election analogy. Or are you saying a person (man or WOMAN) can only vote once in their lives?

 

[ChristineM]

So what if the results the same?.

The polls indicate otherwise and thats what is frightening the hard line brexiters

 

[ChristineM]

I disagree,the vote was straight forward,almost as simple as you could get,in or out,out got most votes unless goalposts are moved.

The goalposts have moved considerably, facts have come to light that were not given originally and of course all the Iies have been exposed.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Did the people wanting a second vote actually change their minds or was it more just not the result they wanted?.

A mixture of people who voted Leave realising they've been conned, people who didn't vote but could have, people who were deliberately denied a vote (probably because their demographic groups were more likely to vote Remain than Leave) and people who voted Remain who are adamant that since the Leave campaign broke the law in multiple ways the result should not be given any semblance of legitimacy.

You also haven't answered my question: "Can you give us any reasons why people shouldn't be allowed to change their mind in a democracy?"

I disagree,the vote was straight forward,almost as simple as you could get,in or out,out got most votes unless goalposts are moved.

I would agree except the result is now being liberally reinterpreted after the fact to include aspects not covered by the question. The Single Market & Customs Union were not mentioned yet most hardcore Leavers want us to believe the 52% represents support for a hard Brexit.

So your point about goalposts possibly being moved is moot as they already were: by the Leave campaign.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are deliberately ignoring the vast change in knowledge and understanding of the consequences which likens it to my general election analogy. Or are you saying a person (man or WOMAN) can only vote once in their lives?

Haven't you heard the saying "It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind"? I guess we dumb guys have to live with our mistakes

 

[Altfish]

So what if the results the same?.

No problem, it is the will of the INFORMED people.

 

[LuisDantas]

I disagree,the vote was straight forward,almost as simple as you could get,in or out,out got most votes unless goalposts are moved.

The vote was ambiguous at best. It can't materialize without a lot of major definitions.

Not that this justification is needed to make the second vote democratic, mind you.

 

[ChristineM]

You grasp it well Luis,we have never been fully in the EU but had a day in the politics,our standing in the EU has been high but the downside is that there is no benefit to the whole populace,the wealthier for sure but the less wealthy no.

What has the EU ever done for us?

Urban redevelopment?
Road schemes?
71% of cbi members and 69% of sme's say the Eu has had a positive effect on business
Meaning extra jobs, a report in 2015 says 3.1 million jobs are directly due to eu membership
Almost 45% of uk exports go to the eu, thats a lot of economic benefit
European policing offers greater protection against terrorism, people trafficking, peadophiles, international crime etc
You have the freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in europe.
Contributions to universities and other educational establishments
Farming subsidies.
You have great influence in eu decision making, far greater influence than your punch weight

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Did the people wanting a second vote actually change their minds or was it more just not the result they wanted?.

Recent polls suggest that there has been at least a ten per cent shift to remain.
Those who want a second referendum , do so now because they recognise that after three years, we have learnt a great deal more about the effect that brexit would have on our economy employment rights and lives.
If a referendum, then, was democratic, it would be equally democratic now. Just like all votes the will of the people changes over time.
The first referendum is now out of line with the majority opinion, to enforce it would be an anachronism.

 

[England my lionheart]

Recent polls suggest that there has been at least a ten per cent shift to remain.
Those who want a second referendum , do so now because they recognise that after three years, we have learnt a great deal more about the effect that brexit would have on our economy employment rights and lives.
If a referendum, then, was democratic, it would be equally democratic now. Just like all votes the will of the people changes over time.
The first referendum is now out of line with the majority opinion, to enforce it would be an anachronism.

Polls are not always accurate.

 

[ChristineM]

Polls are not always accurate.

So try the real thing and see the government petition

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

10% of the uk population have signed this petition, more than half a million since this time yesterday.

 

[LuisDantas]

What has the EU ever done for us?

Urban redevelopment?
Road schemes?
71% of cbi members and 69% of sme's say the Eu has had a positive effect on business
Meaning extra jobs, a report in 2015 says 3.1 million jobs are directly due to eu membership
Almost 45% of uk exports go to the eu, thats a lot of economic benefit
European policing offers greater protection against terrorism, people trafficking, peadophiles, international crime etc
You have the freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in europe.
Contributions to universities and other educational establishments
Farming subsidies.
You have great influence in eu decision making, far greater influence than your punch weight

On that note:

https://www.politico.eu/article/12-brexit-cherries-the-uk-wants-to-pick/

 

[Notanumber]

What has the EU ever done for us?

Urban redevelopment?
Road schemes?
71% of cbi members and 69% of sme's say the Eu has had a positive effect on business
Meaning extra jobs, a report in 2015 says 3.1 million jobs are directly due to eu membership
Almost 45% of uk exports go to the eu, thats a lot of economic benefit
European policing offers greater protection against terrorism, people trafficking, peadophiles, international crime etc
You have the freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in europe.
Contributions to universities and other educational establishments
Farming subsidies.
You have great influence in eu decision making, far greater influence than your punch weight

The roads in France might be fantastic but over here in Blighty, the roads are a shambles.

I take my life in my hands every time I venture out on the bike and people are spending a fortune getting their vehicles repaired because of damage caused by the numerous potholes.

The French police are fully occupied trying to quash the Yellow Vest protesters at Macrons bidding.

Our universities are nothing more than leftwing brainwashing facilities.

 

[Notanumber]

Recent polls suggest that there has been at least a ten per cent shift to remain.
Those who want a second referendum , do so now because they recognise that after three years, we have learnt a great deal more about the effect that brexit would have on our economy employment rights and lives.
If a referendum, then, was democratic, it would be equally democratic now. Just like all votes the will of the people changes over time.
The first referendum is now out of line with the majority opinion, to enforce it would be an anachronism.

I believe the exact opposite is the reality.

The EU is heading down a slippery slope and the British people have got wise to that fact.

 

[Notanumber]

So try the real thing and see the government petition

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

10% of the uk population have signed this petition, more than half a million since this time yesterday.

What about the other 90%. Do they not count?

 

[LuisDantas]

I believe the exact opposite is the reality.

The EU is heading down a slippery slope and the British people have got wise to that fact.

The evidence of such remains elusive.

 

[ChristineM]

The roads in France might be fantastic but over here in Blighty, the roads are a shambles.

I take my life in my hands every time I venture out on the bike and people are spending a fortune getting their vehicles repaired because of damage caused by the numerous potholes.

The French police are fully occupied trying to quash the Yellow Vest protesters at Macrons bidding.

Our universities are nothing more than leftwing brainwashing facilities.

And they would be much worse without EU funding. The government wont pony up for road schemes or repairs.

More right wing bull. I have not seen a yellow vest for over a month. There are small pockets of militants in the major cities, hardly a major problem for a few police

You opinion on education say much

 

[Notanumber]

The evidence of such remains elusive.

We will find out if the few dare overrule the many.