Hmm...
*Shrugs*
I suspect we've all had at least one of those, depending on whether our Eastern religious friends are on the money. But whatevs. No need to justify your opinion to me.
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Corporal Punishment Reinstated
- Thread starter The Hammer
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Hmm...
*Shrugs*
I suspect we've all had at least one of those, depending on whether our Eastern religious friends are on the money. But whatevs. No need to justify your opinion to me.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Good news!
One punishment I inflicted on my eldest was dancing the tango with her down the school quadrangle. I'm not sure where it fits in the abuse scale, but it was pretty effective.
PureX
Veteran Member
"Misbehaving" to cause harm to others has to be stopped. And the one misbehaving determines what it will take for the cops to stop them. Anything else is abuse. And none of this is about "punishment".
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Isn't that what we do? Only we call it "prison".
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Spanking is beneficial to some children but not all children. A spanking is useful for a bad apple child with an attention deficit disorder. They will not be able to focus, during a long time out. They will forget before the time out ends. But a quick smack, close to the offending act, is within their attention span and can be correlated.
I don't remember ever seeing so many kids with these types of disorders, back in the day. This was very rare. Today they are everywhere. The slap worked well for such as these and did not contribute to future drug addictions and liver damage.
One problem with slapping is the parent has to be consistent. They cannot use the spanking as a vehicle to express their own anger issues. This is where the spanking can become irrational and unjust and become counter productive. If today you forgive and tomorrow you over enforce, the lessons will get confused. It needs a level headed person with a consistent approach; no anger.
When I was young, spanking did not work for me because I tried not to give any reason to be spanked. I got spanked so my parents would not appear to single out my brother, who liked to push the envelope. I was guilty by association, but not my actions. Spanking did seem to fit the occasion at times. However, spanking worked for my brother. He knew the rules and broke them anyway but accepted the consequences. He would say I deserved it and have no grudge. He learned in the school of hard knocks at home and in life.
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
we were there. Just in mental asylums suffering horrible abuse and/or kept away from public eye. Or werent diagnosed cuz the name of the disorder didnt exist or wasn't well known. Psychology is a very new field.
VoidCat
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All this seems to be a misunderstanding of disorders such as ADHD. I say this as someone with ADHD. Also of child development. And a lack of knowledge on studies about spanking and why it dont help.
At the age of 5 on my first day at school I received 6 strikes of the cane on my backside,I recieveved more as I went through school until I refused to let it happen,it is counter productive and given that my first punishment was delivered by a fully grown 6’3 man is just so wrong in so many ways.
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
There is no such thing as a bad apple child. Children are children, and they react to their environment in different ways, for different reasons.
Children have a right to their bodies, and if an adult hits them, or advocates for them to be hit, they are child abusers. And the fact that you mentioned ADD/ADHD is saddening. They are special needs, the same with people who are autistic (such as myself). Hitting children is a matter of pride and making the abuser feel "good" and "justified." But to actually sit and try to help a child having a meltdown or a depressive episode in a way that doesn't harm them? No one wants to try that. It's too hard.
I can tell you now that spanking did not work for me. All it did was build resentment within me. There is retributive discipline, and then there is constructive discipline. We humans want to go for the retribution because we have an ego that needs to be placated. It's easy to hit a child It's hard to do research and have them talk to a specialist, and take time out of your day that you, the parent, signed up for when you had the child, to work with them and understand their worldview.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yep and corporal punishment is the norm there.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Not according to my research. Banned in Britain in 1948 and last used in the USA in 1972. Now, if you are talking about places like Saudi Arabia ...
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Five years old? Six strokes? Who was running that place, the Marquis de Sade?
We had the cane in Grammar school (age 11 to 18). This was in the 1950s. It was only administered by the Headmaster, and usually limited to one or two strokes. Frankly I preferred it to other punishments, like writing "lines". It was soon over and didn't hurt too much. The worst part was pretending to be sorry so he would let me leave his office. I don't think it had any influence on my behavior one way or the other.
Don't let that make you think I approve of it though. I don't.
Like others probably, I had the cane quite a bit at school, either on the hand or backside. It didn't really have any effect on me, either as to resentment or as to stopping my supposed naughty behaviour. I just accepted it as part of school life. And I mostly misbehaved because I was probably bored and not stretched as much as I probably should have been - given my later successes in exams and such.
There was no spanking at home, and my mother seemingly found better ways to keep myself and two older brothers in order. Spanking, as mentioned by many here, just sends out the wrong message to any child that receives such - that violence is appropriate when someone thinks it serves their purpose, even when they are mistaken as to the effects.
And as to - Spare the rod, spoil the child? What a joke.
There was no spanking at home, and my mother seemingly found better ways to keep myself and two older brothers in order. Spanking, as mentioned by many here, just sends out the wrong message to any child that receives such - that violence is appropriate when someone thinks it serves their purpose, even when they are mistaken as to the effects.
And as to - Spare the rod, spoil the child? What a joke.
Church of England primary school,all teachers could administer lesser punishment like a ruler across the hand,it was a very strict school,I hated it.
That reminds me of various movies I’ve seen, set in old grammar schools or based on classics set in them (like Tom Brown’s school days or whatever.)
There was one I remember watching with my uncle and the school the main character attended allowed Prefects to administer corporal punishment to younger students. According to my uncle that indeed happened when he went to school.
It seemed bizarre to me though. Like that’s just asking for abuse. Indeed in the movie the Prefect took a running head start to hit the boy with a cane (who had hidden a book in his pants to lessen the pain. Which is honestly a pretty smart move lol.)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My wife and I are much the same, and they say that I have "no filter", and I have often been very blunt with our grandkids at times, but they do appreciate it, believe it or not. And, btw, now they are just as blunt as I've ever been.
It's sorta this way: "What you see is what you get" with us.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
The thing is he could get away with doing that to you, but if you retaliated, you'd be punished for that as well. The violence is allowed in only one way.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
And what happens if you "spank" or put your hands on another civilian?
Oh, you get charged with assault.
So we don't allow adults to beat each other up, but we're allowed to hit kids - the most vulnerable among us? I don't think so.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Your "discipline" involves hitting children, yes?