Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[godnotgod]

You are really such a charmer.

So instead of being 'charmed', why don't you simply awaken?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[godnotgod]

It's obviously part of being "ultra-spiritual".

You and the mouse keep missing the point, but at least you both are consistent, square pegs having been driven into round holes as you both are, smug and secure in your materialist paradigm cubby holes. How many times does the Buddha have to tell you?:

'Buddha Mind and Ordinary Mind are not different'

...and...

'Before Enlightenment, sweeping the floor;
after Enlightenment, sweeping the floor'

...or peeling the potatoes, or washing the dishes, etc.

 

[Unification]

Basically the elements we know are created through nucleo-synthesis in stars, which also produce light. Do you agree with this, and if not, why not?

I'm not seeing the relevance of condensed matter physics to your reification of light, could you explain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_matter_physics

Of course I agree with that, there is nothing wrong with that. Where I disagree is the very limited and confined use of "light." There are waves and frequencies of invisible light we'll never be able to visibly see, test, outside of experience the effects.

Of all the forms of radiation and light on the electromagnetic spectrum, humans can only visibly see a very small amount of light.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/18/matter-light-photons-electrons-positrons

http://m.phys.org/news/2013-09-scientists-never-before-seen.html

 

[godnotgod]

Oh, I see. Yes, what we seem to have is people making factual statements about things which are not facts at all, just personal beliefs or speculations.

Such ignorance and recalcitrance!

Now tell me: When the Buddha declared that he had achieved Supreme Enlightenment, was this just a personal belief or speculation? Don't evade the question, as you always do.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

'Before Enlightenment, sweeping the floor;
after Enlightenment, sweeping the floor'

Zen enlightenment has nothing to do with your bizarre new-age version of Hinduism. And for the umpteenth time The Heart Sutra, a pivotal Mahayana text, directly contradicts your belief in "cosmic consciousness".

 

[godnotgod]

Oh, I understand that... I just thought it was a spiffy logical fallacy as well.

'spiffy'? oooh, are you ever dating yourself! let's see.....1970's.

 

[Unification]

And a direct proof of what I was saying. Go figure.

BTW: You made me look up Reification. After pondering the meaning the word it certainly seems appropriate in your conversation with Unification.

Why and how do they seem appropriate outside of your opinion? Enlighten me on light, bodhisattva.

 

[godnotgod]

Zen enlightenment has nothing to do with your bizarre new-age version of Hinduism. And for the umpteenth time The Heart Sutra, a pivotal Mahayana text, directly contradicts your belief in "cosmic consciousness".

You just don't know how to read, that's all, but a topic for another thread.

Again, you missed the mark by a mile.

My point was that 'ultra-spiritual' was not the consideration; that the miraculous and the ordinary are one and the same. But you still don't get that, do you, and the reason you don't is simply because you continue to cling to your dualistic notions about Reality, such as 'ultra-spiritual' vs. 'not-ultra-spiritual'. What kind of Buddhism are you practicing, anyway? You have learned nothing in your 35 years of running around from one Buddhist sect to another. Now go to your room!

 

[Unification]

I've been using it in the sense of making something into a God equivalent.

You're correct.. YOU have. I've never brought anything up about the mere word "god." Your imagination.

If the universe has always existed, obviously it's energy that is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You're correct.. YOU have. I've never brought anything up about the mere word "god." Your imagination.
If the universe has always existed, obviously it's energy that is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent.

Your use of "eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent" here is revealing.

 

[Unification]

Basically the elements we know are created through nucleo-synthesis in stars, which also produce light. Do you agree with this, and if not, why not?

I'm not seeing the relevance of condensed matter physics to your worship of light, could you explain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_matter_physics

"Worship" of light. Let's reason without imagining things that aren't there. I think that you're reifying the situation.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

"Worship" of light. Let's reason without imagining things that aren't there. I think that you're reifying the situation.

But you do seem to worship light. Anyway I don't think you've made a convincing case for your devotion, light is cool but it's basically still just light, photons,

 

[Unification]

Your use of "eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent" here is revealing.

You hear words, and auto-assume all sorts of imagination. Again, my condolences if words offend you and stimulate imaginations due to a conditioning in mind.

Would....not applicable to time/always existing, containing all of the knowledge, present everywhere, and the power of the universe please you more?

If that's not energy, what is?

 

[godnotgod]

The Heart Sutra, a pivotal Mahayana text, directly contradicts your belief in "cosmic consciousness".

No, the problem is that you are in denial of what the Heart Sutra actually means, as you know it intellectually only, and not experientially. You are reading it through the filter of your limited mind that is 'self-view':

https://books.google.com/books?id=DjkPIs7ZxrQC&pg=PT5&lpg=PT5&dq=the+heart+sutra+and+cosmic+consciousness&source=bl&ots=4-1MdsFFrT&sig=xU_sMOVcp3KF3nilJ2EQqNEr7LQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYqq7Jj7TJAhVQXIgKHayBA38Q6AEINjAF#v=onepage&q=the heart sutra and cosmic consciousness&f=false

The Heart Sutra is saying the same thing as The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, namely, that 'yoga [ie; divine union] is the cessation of all of the activities of the mind'.

 

[Unification]

But you do seem to worship light. Anyway I don't think you've made a convincing case for your devotion, light is cool but it's basically still just light, photons,

More reifying the reasoning. Stating scientific properties and characteristics of light are not "worship."

I'm not here to please your needs or convince your terms, please don't reify yourself. I'm here to reason, and some only know how to with mostly opinion and cheap talk.

 

[godnotgod]

But you do seem to worship light. Anyway I don't think you've made a convincing case for your devotion, light is cool but it's basically still just light, photons,

Oh, and we all know what 'just light and photons' are, of course, don't we?

YOU KNOW NOTHING!

 

[godnotgod]

You hear words, and auto-assume all sorts of imagination.

You hit the nail on the head here, as this is EXACTLY what Spiny does all the time!...his imagination working overtime, spurred as it is by his suspicions and fears, as he clings for safety and security to his doctrines and other 'safe' teachings.

 

[Unification]

Zen enlightenment has nothing to do with your bizarre new-age version of Hinduism. And for the umpteenth time The Heart Sutra, a pivotal Mahayana text, directly contradicts your belief in "cosmic consciousness".

If you don't like buzz words, why do you use them? "Umpteenth," "Heart sutra's," "mahayana," "zen," "enlightenment."

 

[Unification]

I really like JP. He is closer to an enlightened being than anything I've seen in this thread.

You could explain the metaphysical process of enlightenment if you'd like, does it even require light?