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Defute the Bible or not!

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
Does it make it untrue?

No, but it makes it not backed by actual evidence. We can't know if it's true, but if it isn't backed by any evidence at all, chances are that it isn't true. I think we should trust archeologists when it comes to archeology. You don't need to read the Bible literally, after all.
 

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
Dude i flew it out on top my head.I couldnt tell you all those books cause all of it didnt come from one but many.im sorry.
Debates involve sourcing and reasoning. Your OP doesn't qualify as a debate, but rather a series of unsupported views. You can surely have views. Just be aware that no one is persuaded by anything lacking sources. In fact, to put it gently, it does the opposite - you seem to be persuading people that you have done no research and found no sources. You are actually assuring people that they are right - that the Bible is easily refuted because someone who claims to be able to defend it cannot.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
That was a bad comment on your part.It does not make untrue just unreliable.
Great. You are calling your own source unreliable.

Listen, real qualified professional archeologists have searched for evidence of the Exodus and found none. You have given us an unverified unreliable source claiming there is. I feel quite comfortable saying it is not true.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh I See. They just placed Jesus's birth prior to Herod the Great's death. Wouldnt that just screw up timeline somehow??? I mean it's 4bc were talking about.
Further, Matthew chapter 2 reports that Herod the Great ordered the slaughter "all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity. from two years old and under " (Matt 2:16). We know that Herod died 4-2 B.C., so Jesus birth had to have been before his death -most likely by two or more years. Given these facts, scholars generally date Jesus' birth anywhere between 6B.C. to 4 B.C. (-Come Reason Ministries -)
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
Debates involve sourcing and reasoning. Your OP doesn't qualify as a debate, but rather a series of unsupported views. You can surely have views. Just be aware that no one is persuaded by anything lacking sources. In fact, to put it gently, it does the opposite - you seem to be persuading people that you have done no research and found no sources. You are actually assuring people that they are right - that the Bible is easily refuted because someone who claims to be able to defend it cannot.
Again not one refute has come that questions the Bible.I nhave the ultimate source the Bible and God.Thats what im asking to refute.what other information I need to answer refutes from the Bible.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Again not one refute has come that questions the Bible.
Plenty of refutations have been given (of a literal, inerrant interpretation, anyhow). You've just either ignored them or claimed some phantom evidence that nullifies the refutation.

BTW - you still haven't addressed one of my posts:

Another interesting problem for the OP: Dan Barker's Easter Challenge.

http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/stone.php

The short version: give a chronology for the Easter story that includes all details mentioned in the Bible and contains no contradictions.

And just so we're clear: the reason why I'm asking you to do this challenge is because the details of the different accounts contradict each other. IOW, it's impossible for all of the Bible to be literally true.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
fantôme profane;2919635 said:
Great. You are calling your own source unreliable.

Listen, real qualified professional archeologists have searched for evidence of the Exodus and found none. You have given us an unverified unreliable source claiming there is. I feel quite comfortable saying it is not true.
It still doesnt make it so,There are many more than that one claiming that we search the wrong location.doesnt make it untrue.You exspect me to go back thlusands of years to bring back physical proof?The question was refute the Bible not give instances that can not be proved or unproved.No one can say it did not happen for sure.But ill be honest my research on this peticular subject is lackin and thats why im researching it.this is not over.i just posted a interesting article that supports.wont be the only one.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It still doesnt make it so,There are many more than that one claiming that we search the wrong location.doesnt make it untrue.You exspect me to go back thlusands of years to bring back physical proof?The question was refute the Bible not give instances that can not be proved or unproved.No one can say it did not happen for sure.But ill be honest my research on this peticular subject is lackin and thats why im researching it.this is not over.i just posted a interesting article that supports.wont be the only one.

It's not like a million-plus people would only be in one location.

Look: the modern-day population of the Sinai peninsula is around 500,000 people. That should give you a sense of the scale of the Exodus if it occurred. How much evidence should 600,000 men and their families leave? Is the evidence predicted by this claim there? If it isn't, then this implies the claim is false.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
Oh I See. They just placed Jesus's birth prior to Herod the Great's death. Wouldnt that just screw up timeline somehow??? I mean it's 4bc were talking about.
Tinelines are messed up anyway.they are close but off.But i do not see how it would.and no herod died between 6BC an 4BC.Jesus was born 4BC to 2BC.
 

Songbird

She rules her life like a bird in flight
Again not one refute has come that questions the Bible.I nhave the ultimate source the Bible and God.Thats what im asking to refute.what other information I need to answer refutes from the Bible.
Well, it looks like you needn't have started this thread. You weren't looking for refutations or debate, but a platform to declare your views.

FWIW, you accomplished that. While no one has been persuaded to agree with you, you did air your viewpoint.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
It's not like a million-plus people would only be in one location.

Look: the modern-day population of the Sinai peninsula is around 500,000 people. That should give you a sense of the scale of the Exodus if it occurred. How much evidence should 600,000 men and their families leave? Is the evidence predicted by this claim there? If it isn't, then this implies the claim is false.

Should be.should be.but it doesnt make it false.Really though how much evidence would there be in forty years without civilizing the region regardless how many people?what evidence are you looking for buildings,towns,bones?
Bones should be there but cities and buildings doesnt have to be.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
How many women visited the tombd Of Jesus? Did they come in before telling anyone? Did they see anything weird or supernatural outsie of the tomb or at it´s entrance? was the rock over the tomb in it´s place when they arrived?

How many angels did the women find at the empty tomb of Jesus?

Did the women told the apostles or were they too frigthened to say anything?



I would be amazed if you could answer any of this questions without contradicting any of the 4 gospels.
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
Well, it looks like you needn't have started this thread. You weren't looking for refutations or debate, but a platform to declare your views.

FWIW, you accomplished that. While no one has been persuaded to agree with you, you did air your viewpoint.
BTW one has in private chat!I did something.I can start any thread i wanted.You did not have to reply but i appreciate it.
My views will always be with me but I fully agree and accept reasonable thoughts.
NOTE:Evolution is not clear cut or reasonable to consider as fact
 

EnochSDP

Active Member
How many women visited the tombd Of Jesus? Did they come in before telling anyone? Did they see anything weird or supernatural outsie of the tomb or at it´s entrance? was the rock over the tomb in it´s place when they arrived?

How many angels did the women find at the empty tomb of Jesus?

Did the women told the apostles or were they too frigthened to say anything?



I would be amazed if you could answer any of this questions without contradicting any of the 4 gospels.

what is the question here?arem these are refuting the Bible?what do you want here? to answer these questions, the Bible does that.Im not here to teach you the Bible but to answer refutes, if you are presenting one then make it clearer.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Take any one of them and answer it in a way that doesn´t contradict the bible. It´s a challenge.

I can bet you can´t, because the answers are completely different depending on if you are reading luke, mathew, Mark or John
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I would like anyone with a refute about the Bible to post.Any and all!Do not leave one out.I will respond to each and everyone and if it is undeniable I will amit it!Try if you can!
Im doing this only to stick up for my God and Bible.Too many claim errors in the Bible.That it is failable.It isnt.Try your best.

The Bible itself says the Bible is flawed. Therefore, if you don't believe the Bible is flawed, then you don't believe what the Bible says about itself, in which case, obviously you consider it flawed.

So: either the bible is flawed, or it's flawed.

There's your defutification.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
The Bible itself says the Bible is flawed. Therefore, if you don't believe the Bible is flawed, then you don't believe what the Bible says about itself, in which case, obviously you consider it flawed.

So: either the bible is flawed, or it's flawed.

There's your defutification.

You mean like when Jesus refuted eye for an eye? or some other part?
 
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