Democrats had better not even think of it.

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well, you obviously disagree with my post. I don't see you telling anyone else to be more unbiased. *shrugs*

I tell people to be less biased all the time. I'm not particularly pro or anti either of the current mainstream political blocs. What I oppose is hypocrisy. Like when someone criticises either "side" for acts that their own is blatantly as, or more, guilty of.

If you want to criticise the liberals or BLM for violence they are guilty of, be my absolute guest. Do so in such a way as to imply that the conservatives or police are innocent parties wrongfully attacked, I'll comment on the apparent double standard.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Since when have assassinations and death threats and attempted/successful killings been a partisan thing? It wasn't that long ago when someone tried to kill Kathy Giffords.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Since when have assassinations and death threats and attempted/successful killings been a partisan thing? It wasn't that long ago when someone tried to kill Kathy Giffords.

You mean Gabrielle Giffords?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You mean Gabrielle Giffords?

Yes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes.

Okay. I was confused at first and thought someone had tried to kill Kathie Lee Gifford. Lmao

 

[Shiranui117]

Not trolling you. But I do have to object to the categorization of BLM as nonsense. I think they are addressing a serious issue that had gone unaddressed far to long.

They were at the start. But nowadays they seem to care more about bursting into everyone else's meetings (liberal and conservative alike) and shouting down and shutting down any other form of discourse. About the only thing they're good at anymore is being disruptive.

 

[Shiranui117]

Rand Paul warns of 'assassination' peril after Kavanaugh confirmation: 'I really worry someone is going to be killed'

Even Rand Paul is voicing concerns.

Has the Democrat Party gone this far over the edge that they become a credible threat?

I think the American populace in general is becoming more and more hysterical in terms of its political leanings, both right and left. Most of my friends are liberal, so I mainly see outbursts, rants and rages from the liberal side of things. Republicans ran on a platform of anger and frustration in 2016. It seems like the Democrats are running on a platform of fear and hysteria in 2018. On the right, things seem to be a bit calmer--probably because the Republicans are in control, and so can afford to play the role of the calm, reasonable party.

Now we have the odd situation where many liberals seem to be fine with judging people guilty until proven innocent and shouting down anyone who disagrees with them. At the extreme left you have people like Antifa who act according to mob justice. At the extreme right you have paramilitaristic, coordinated neo-Nazi/alt-right domestic terror cells. I'm not sure which one scares me more right now: Unbridled fury or cold, calculated planning.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now we have the odd situation where many liberals seem to be fine with judging people guilty until proven innocent and shouting down anyone who disagrees with them. At the extreme left you have people like Antifa who act according to mob justice. At the extreme right you have paramilitaristic, coordinated neo-Nazi/alt-right domestic terror cells. I'm not sure which one scares me more right now: Unbridled fury or cold, calculated planning.

IMO, the scariest thing is that in this extreme partisan divide we live in, so many don't even know their "enemies." The unbridled fury and cold planning have been programmed into such as "us vs them" mentality that many (and this is not limited to extremists in any way) don't even know what extremism on "the other side" actually looks like and let their own partisan bias dictate to them what is truth and fiction. The collateral damage and "friendly fire" from a lack of knowledge and information is probably were the real horrors lie.
Too bad we can't just all but force this modern bastardized "antifa" to go invade those remote compounds of the paramilitary groups so they can kill off each other away from the rest of society.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think the American populace in general is becoming more and more hysterical in terms of its political leanings, both right and left. Most of my friends are liberal, so I mainly see outbursts, rants and rages from the liberal side of things. Republicans ran on a platform of anger and frustration in 2016. It seems like the Democrats are running on a platform of fear and hysteria in 2018. On the right, things seem to be a bit calmer--probably because the Republicans are in control, and so can afford to play the role of the calm, reasonable party.

Now we have the odd situation where many liberals seem to be fine with judging people guilty until proven innocent and shouting down anyone who disagrees with them. At the extreme left you have people like Antifa who act according to mob justice. At the extreme right you have paramilitaristic, coordinated neo-Nazi/alt-right domestic terror cells. I'm not sure which one scares me more right now: Unbridled fury or cold, calculated planning.

After all that's been said and done thus far, I don't think I have an argument with that because it really does make sense. I can't say I disagree with any of what you said here.

It seems like this whole country is in between a rock and a hard place in terms of moving forward and improving things.

The left is certainly not the answer even though they have good ideas. Anything they implement usually comes at the expense of one group to benefit another group.

The Republicans get results, yet it seems more to do with foreign affairs rather than the domestic side that can improve life for everybody.

One thing's for certain is that we need a dialogue or better still if they can't do that, a brand new party without affiliation or ties with Democrats or Republicans. I wish news media in general would be more responsible as well rather than hyping things up to the point where people go into a tizzy.

 

[Anthem]

The Republicans get results, yet it seems more to do with foreign affairs rather than the domestic side that can improve life for everybody.

What results??

I assume you mean positive ones.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What results??

I assume you mean positive ones.

I don't think North Korea would be where it is now if it wasn't for Trumps hardline posture.

I never thought I'd see the day where they're taking landmines out of the DMZ.

 

[Anthem]

I don't think North Korea would be where it is now if it wasn't for Trumps hardline posture.

I never thought I'd see the day where they're taking landmines out of the DMZ.

So what you think it means?

 

[Augustus]

Has the Democrat Party gone this far over the edge that they become a credible threat?

Both parties have crossed the line by which political opponents are not simply fellow citizens who you disagree with but the enemy within, traitors, fascists, communists, jihadi terrorists, the actual antichrist, etc. and just all round evil people.

In such at atmosphere it would not be surprising if someone was assassinated.

Disingenuous holier than thou showboating while painting the other side as violent extremist enemies of democracy who need to be curtailed, while ignoring the overall state of political discourse just because your side is 'winning' at this particular point in time is part of the problem though.

Anyone who brings it up without noting the overall trend is just gloating or shamelessly stanning for their party and has absolutely no desire to solve the problem.

The same will happen when the electoral worm turns and the bitterness/gloating cycle is reversed sooner or later. Each time it turns the resentment and hostility will just be ratcheted up another notch.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the American populace in general is becoming more and more hysterical......

For once, it's not us Libertarians who look stark raving crazy.

 

[Stevicus]

Antifa meets violence with violence. It's a response to violent right-wing groups like skinheads.

I would say that this might be true in theory, but in practice, it's a lot different. I don't recall seeing antifa going up against Bull Connor and his cops and police dogs.

Or even in more recent cases of racist violence, the antifa are nowhere to be found. Where we see antifa is mostly when right-wing protesters or speakers invade their safe spaces and strongholds, but they're hardly at the front lines where they might have a greater impact.

As an example, I recall a while back where the police pulled over someone who was suspected of being an illegal immigrant. They called the Border Patrol, and it was near a city park. Within minutes, a rather large crowd of people gathered around the scene and were openly challenging the Border Patrol agents attempting to question the individual in question. It came close to a riot which brought out more police. Those people are the true "antifa," not those pretenders up at Berkeley.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would say that this might be true in theory, but in practice, it's a lot different. I don't recall seeing antifa going up against Bull Connor and his cops and police dogs.

Or even in more recent cases of racist violence, the antifa are nowhere to be found. Where we see antifa is mostly when right-wing protesters or speakers invade their safe spaces and strongholds, but they're hardly at the front lines where they might have a greater impact.

As an example, I recall a while back where the police pulled over someone who was suspected of being an illegal immigrant. They called the Border Patrol, and it was near a city park. Within minutes, a rather large crowd of people gathered around the scene and were openly challenging the Border Patrol agents attempting to question the individual in question. It came close to a riot which brought out more police. Those people are the true "antifa," not those pretenders up at Berkeley.

How do you know there isn't overlap? It's not like they'd stop to go home, change into black clothes, and grab an Antifa flag when they're rushing to an urgent need.

 

[Stevicus]

How do you know there isn't overlap? It's not like they'd stop to go home, change into black clothes, and grab an Antifa flag when they're rushing to an urgent need.

Well, sure, when you put it that way, I suppose there might be some overlap. But it seems that more people fight fascism without necessarily becoming Antifa. Most of the time when one hears about Antifa violence, they're going after easy, convenient targets who just happen to invade their safe spaces. How much courage does that take?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, sure, when you put it that way, I suppose there might be some overlap. But it seems that more people fight fascism without necessarily becoming Antifa.

My point was more that no Antifa member is going to carry around a giant flag every moment of the day.

Most of the time when one hears about Antifa violence, they're going after easy, convenient targets who just happen to invade their safe spaces. How much courage does that take?

You seem to have a pretty distored notion of what Antifa does.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So what you think it means?

Hopefully the beginning of the end for the DMZ and a formal ending to the Korean War.

 

[Stevicus]

You seem to have a pretty distored notion of what Antifa does.

I just call it as I see it. Why do you think it's distorted? Are you Antifa yourself and do the same things they do? If so, you're free to clarify and correct whatever distortions I may be making. If not, then how do you know any more than I do about them?