Well, as you said, we disagree on a lot but agree on a little. Thank you for sharing! It was really interesting to see what you believe.
You as well.
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did Jesus ever say he was god?
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You as well.
arimoff
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I don't even know why G-d needs a son, but besides that, if they are equal then there is two G-D's but doesn't the first commandment say I am One and there is no other? if they are not equal why even pray to him when you can pray to the stronger one a.k.a. the Father?
if G-D "A" is stronger then G-D "B" then G-D "B" is not G-D. ? Or faith is bigger the logic?
if G-D "A" is stronger then G-D "B" then G-D "B" is not G-D. ? Or faith is bigger the logic?
Freelancer7
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I don't know that God necessarily "needed a Son." Maybe He just "wanted" one.
You must understand that not all Christians are trinitarians. I, for instance, am not. Our answers to your questions will, therefore, vary. The word "one" can have more than one meaning. It can be used to denote a number (i.e. one, two, three, etc.) and it can be used to denote unity. There are several places in the Bible where there are references to such things as "one heart," "one mind," or "one voice," where clearly several or even many individuals were being referred to. Because the Father, Son and Holy Ghost together comprise "one Godhead," and because "God" is a synonym for "Godhead," it is accurate to describe any of the three as "God," while recognizing that they are physically distinct from one another. Even though they share the title of "God," and are equal in terms of their divine nature, there is a heirarchy within the Godhead. God the Father reigns supreme. I never pray to Jesus Christ. He referred to God the Father as His Father and showed us by His word and His example that we should pray to "our Father who art in Heaven."
arimoff
Active Member
I don't know that God necessarily "needed a Son." Maybe He just "wanted" one.
You must understand that not all Christians are trinitarians. I, for instance, am not. Our answers to your questions will, therefore, vary. The word "one" can have more than one meaning. It can be used to denote a number (i.e. one, two, three, etc.) and it can be used to denote unity. There are several places in the Bible where there are references to such things as "one heart," "one mind," or "one voice," where clearly several or even many individuals were being referred to. Because the Father, Son and Holy Ghost together comprise "one Godhead," and because "God" is a synonym for "Godhead," it is accurate to describe any of the three as "God," while recognizing that they are physically distinct from one another. Even though they share the title of "God," and are equal in terms of their divine nature, there is a heirarchy within the Godhead. God the Father reigns supreme. I never pray to Jesus Christ. He referred to God the Father as His Father and showed us by His word and His example that we should pray to "our Father who art in Heaven."
I get what you are saying, I was just curious since I'm not familiar with Christianity, but the way I see it one is one in any form physical or spiritual. Or maybe you meant that G-D showed Him self as a son in a physical world in a image of Jesus?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Since I believe the Father and the Son to be two physically distinct beings, I believe that while Jesus was here on earth, His Father was in Heaven. Trinitarians may explain that differently. Think of the greeting cards you may have seen to send to a newly married couple with a wedding gift. A lot of them say something like, "Now you two are one." Well, everybody knows that the man and the woman have not physically morphed into a single being, but hopefully they are "one" with regards to all of the things that will make their marriage a success. I see the Father and the Son as having a relationship something like that -- except that their "oneness" is perfect and absolute, whereas we can only vaguely imagine a relationship of that kind.
What we all have to rememeber is that there are 22,000 different sects of so called christianity. One is hard pressed to find any two people, almost, with the same exact understandings. And guess what? They all are ever changing. One never knows from one moment to the next if what they considered as their sect that they follow hasn't changed its core belief in some way or another.
Freelancer7
Active Member
I wonder if they would have right *****y moments with each other like in relationshios between father and son in thereal world?
arimoff
Active Member
How can you try to tell me they are two but they are like one? The way I see it Christianity then believes in 2 G-D's, no matter how you look at it or how you try to explain it my friend, untill you keep telling me they are father and son its 2.
He doesn't need a son but maybe He just wanted one, that is so childish to say, My G-D never showed him self in any physical form, no where in the OT you will find that, because as soon as G-D reveals him self in a physical form, it becomes a idol. Think about it, if not I will try to explain why.
Its not often that I find myself agreeing with a jew but here I must admit I do. Frubals to you akee.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Nope. Never. That's why they can be said to be "one." Their spiritual unity is absolute.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
When you can tell me why I should want to have any kind of a dialogue with someone who calls my beliefs "childish," I will respond to your post. Until you can give me a satisfactory answer, I have absolutely no interest in anything else you may have to say.
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arimoff
Active Member
It is childish if you still don't know the difference between I and II.
Thank G-D we live in a free society and all you can do is not respond, few hundred years back people people were doing a little more then not responding to a Jew for what he said.
I'm really sorry my friend if I heart your feelings, didn't mean to, but you took my words out of context, I called your words childish not your believes!!
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Jews vs Mormons? This is a new one...
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
LOL Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, but since arimoff and I can't even seem to agree on what's childish and what's not, I don't think we're ever going to get into the really deep stuff.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Yeah? Well he's rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off him and sticks to you
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.lava
Veteran Member
that's interesting. why would you see it same as God and Jesus are equal? couldn't it mean Jesus (PBUH) was submitted wholly to God and did not have free will? i mean, that's how i see it. because i believe he did not have free will, therefor everything he did and said was from God, i mean he said things that God made him say. well, anyways...
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Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Personally, I find the Trinity very confusing. Part of the reason why I was never a strong Catholic.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
To me, submitting is an act that requires free will. Everything He did and said was what His Father wanted Him to do and say, but He obeyed because He wanted to, and because of the perfect unity He felt with His Father. Nothing He did or said would be particularly meaningful, in my opinion, if He had been a mere puppet without the ability to choose to do His Father's will.