MamaTweedy
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I never provided anything malicious. And every one of your posts to me says either 'wrong', 'try again', or 'lol', with a condescending tone. Be at ease, and remain in peace with me.
You've expressed an obvious belief in outdated and stigmatized language, which results from, and in superstition. I can infer this, because you call things with very natural methods and outcomes, within an outdated culture of specific names (divination, magic, occult, etc.).
Sounds ironic yet in the stories, Jesus did engage in numberology, psychic prophecy, and performed feats of raising the dead and such. It does hint of occult type practices and or influences. Wonder what thoughts, if any, are on it?
I never provided anything malicious. And every one of your posts to me says either 'wrong', 'try again', or 'lol', with a condescending tone. Be at ease, and remain in peace with me.
You've expressed an obvious belief in outdated and stigmatized language, which results from, and in superstition. I can infer this, because you call things with very natural methods and outcomes, within an outdated culture of specific names (divination, magic, occult, etc.).
All of these words exist as results of ignorance, and for the ignorant, to categorize seemingly unexplainable events. This is where Talmud 'sorcery' fits in.
And had I traveled back in time with only my cellphone, thousands of years, to when these words were understandably in common use- they would have tried to stone me, as well.
That is absolutely ridiculous. And it is you trying to sneak out the back door.
We were discussing what a TEXT ACTUALLY SAYS.
Now that you have been shown to be wrong - you are trying to turn it into a different conversation.
THIS is the most ridiculous thing you have said --
"You've expressed an obvious belief in outdated and stigmatized language, which results from, and in superstition."
A belief in outdated language? What? When you translate you write what the text says - not what you want to say.
What are you suggesting? That we substitute "superstition" into a translation every time the language translates to some form of magic? More then half of the Bible would be filled with the word "superstition!"
It does not matter if it was superstition, or if they didn't actually exist, etc, - because that is not what we were discussing.
We were discussing translations of Hebrew texts dealing with MAGIC.
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Ummm,,,,,,,,,,yea that could be the answer to a whole different question.Or a wielder of the power of God.
Ingledsva said:That is absolutely ridiculous. And it is you trying to sneak out the back door.
We were discussing what a TEXT ACTUALLY SAYS.
Now that you have been shown to be wrong - you are trying to turn it into a different conversation.
THIS is the most ridiculous thing you have said --
"You've expressed an obvious belief in outdated and stigmatized language, which results from, and in superstition."
A belief in outdated language? What? When you translate you write what the text says - not what you want to say.
What are you suggesting? That we substitute "superstition" into a translation every time the language translates to some form of magic? More then half of the Bible would be filled with the word "superstition!"
It does not matter if it was superstition, or if they didn't actually exist, etc, - because that is not what we were discussing.
We were discussing translations of Hebrew texts dealing with MAGIC.
You're a little too uptight to comprehend anything I've said.
We were discussing Jesus, and the Talmud.. Then, we shifted over to both Jacob and Joseph.
5. The Talmud mentions 'sorcery.' No definition. No record of events. 'Sorcery' is a speculation from ignorance.
1. The text in both Jacob and Joseph's record were shown to be referring to natural events through the language of a culture's persisting superstitious beliefs and ignorance.
My intent was never to say that the societies these texts come from didn't believe in, and use language referring to magic or the occult. I've actually said the exact opposite. 2. And, I could've easily pointed you towards Moses' Exodus feats, which undoubtedly would've been referred to in these terms, as well. However, it's important to realize our modern, scientific nature of observation, 3. which we now know is more accurate and efficient than the methods used to records these texts.
4. You seem like you're so infatuated with this superstitious language and culture, to the point that you actually believe it to be an accurate representation of reality. If you are, that's fine. I've said everything within complete honesty. Take it or leave it.
Sleeppy said:Your middle two statements are inaccurate.
The first and last statements are obviously the results of perception, not necessarily reality. Do you know of any verified methods in sorcery? The writers of the Talmud likely had no idea what they were even referring to.
It's possible that you could qualify some of what was written about Jesus in the gospels as occult, it's not like Magic and occultism was unknown or unpracticed in post exile Judaism. They practiced excorcism and used talismans, I think some of the inter-testament and apocryphal books mention some of this activity.
Sounds ironic yet in the stories, Jesus did engage in numberology, psychic prophecy, and performed feats of raising the dead and such. It does hint of occult type practices and or influences. Wonder what thoughts, if any, are on it?
Really? You know this...how?I don't think so. Jesus hates occult practices.
Really? You know this...how?
1. Jesus was not a part of the Tanakh. So using the verses from the OT, as you call it, makes no sense. After all, as so many Christians are so quick to point out, Jesus came to fulfill the law and therefore, the OT does not pertain to him.Hello Jo,
As written in the Scripture, the following verses stated that God prohibited divination, witchcraft, mediums, spiritist etc…
Deut. 18:10-13
10. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11. or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12. "For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you.
13. "You shall be blameless before the Lord your God.
Lev. 19:31
31. `Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.
Acts 16:16-18
16. And it happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a certain slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortunetelling.
17. Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation."
18. And she continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out at that very moment.
His disciple Paul commanded the spirit to come out in the name of Jesus.
Mark 1:34
34. And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.
Luke 4:35
35. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet and come out of him!" And when the demon had thrown him down in their midst, he came out of him without doing him any harm.
Jesus also cast out demons and have authority to shut them out. We cast them out on how the disciples cast them out in the name of Jesus.
Thanks
What is the trinity of ancient Egypt?
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Now thats weird.