Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[Quantrill]

Nay...you mentioned two Edens....

Where did you get that idea?
And how do you apply it to the topic title?

You brought up Lucifer in Eden. See. Go do some research. Sart another thread.

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[Heathen Hammer]

At this point I'm reading his posts in Dr. Sbatso's voice

 

[Thief]

You brought up Lucifer in Eden. See. Go do some research. Sart another thread.

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Now.... you have me confused with someone else.
Pay attention.

 

[Quantrill]

Your ability to engage in actual conversation is becoming harder and harder in the face of opposition you cannot counter, I see.

Resort to blankfaced rote statements of faith.

Nothing new to see here.

I respond in kind. In other words, you haven't produced anything to merit much discussion.

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[Heathen Hammer]

I respond in kind. In other words, you haven't produced anything to merit much discussion.

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Weakling please

I've split apart anything you've said with facts and reason; essentially anyone responding to you has.

You're choking out single sentences of dogma that are barely, or even not, related to what you're responding to.

 

[Quantrill]

Now.... you have me confused with someone else.
Pay attention.

Your the one who is asking me about Eden. I didn't bring it up to you.

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[Quantrill]

Weakling please

I've split apart anything you've said with facts and reason; essentially anyone responding to you has.

You're choking out single sentences of dogma that are barely, or even not, related to what you're responding to.

As I said, I respond in kind. Your not producing anything yet to merit more than a sentence.

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[Heathen Hammer]

"you're"

 

[Thief]

You were answering someone else when you wrote this digression.
Care now to explain a second Eden?
Or do you need to go look it up?

If you're willing to rebuttal....try to stay up on what you profess.

I haven't heard of Lucifer having been a gaurdian angel over Eden. I do believe Scriptures indicate that Lucifer had access to the Eden upon earth prior to his fall. But that Eden was different than the one where Adam and Eve were placed. Possibly the same area, but different in time, and condition.

So, Lucifer prior to the fall had acess to the Eden of God and did visit it. After the fall he went to the Eden where Adam and Eve were, and indwelt the serpent.

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And how does this relate to the topic title?

 

[Quantrill]

You were answering someone else when you wrote this digression.
Care now to explain a second Eden?
Or do you need to go look it up?

If you're willing to rebuttal....try to stay up on what you profess.




And how does this relate to the topic title?

That was in response to their comment. I didn't intend to start another subject. And I don't intend to now. As I said, do your own homework, or start another thread.

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[Thief]

That was in response to their comment. I didn't intend to start another subject. And I don't intend to now. As I said, do your own homework, or start another thread.

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It was your comment to support.
I will leave that task to you.

Back to topic now?

 

[Koldo]

Because it is contary to His Holy nature. All sin is against God. And His nature reacts to sin in judgement only.

From what attribute do you infer this (bolded) conclusion?
What exactly in his nature is it contrary to?

Yes, you can say what you like. Only it is contridictory to God as given in the Bible.

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Quote the part of the bible that supports your argument then.

 

[fishy]

No, again, God cannot cease to be Himself. That doesn't affect His omipotence, omniscience, or omnipresence.

He remains God.

You mean he remains your god. A god who is not omnipotent, certainly is not omniscient, claims to not being omnipresent and certainly is not omnibenevolent.
What godly attributes does your god actually possess?

 

[Quantrill]

From what attribute do you infer this (bolded) conclusion?
What exactly in his nature is it contrary to?



Quote the part of the bible that supports your argument then.

I attribute it to His Holy nature. Read the entire book of Exodus and Leviticus. It is permeated throughout with this. Sin traced back to its most basic root, is another will in opposition to God's will.

From David concerning his sin with Bathsheba Psalm 51:4 " Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight:..."

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[Quantrill]

You mean he remains your god. A god who is not omnipotent, certainly is not omniscient, claims to not being omnipresent and certainly is not omnibenevolent.
What godly attributes does your god actually possess?

No, He remains God. Whether you or I like it or not.

I have already told you.

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[fishy]

No, He remains God. Whether you or I like it or not.

I have already told you.

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Which godly attributes does he possess that convince you he is still a god?
After all he's not omnipotent because he can't just forgive.
He's not omniscient otherwise your life is meaningless.
He's not omnipresent because he asked where A&E were in the garden.
He's not omnibenevolent, just look at the stories.

 

[Quantrill]

Which godly attributes does he possess that convince you he is still a god?
After all he's not omnipotent because he can't just forgive.
He's not omniscient otherwise your life is meaningless.
He's not omnipresent because he asked where A&E were in the garden.
He's not omnibenevolent, just look at the stories.

God is God. Nothing needed to convince me. His attributes are all those you deny and more.

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[fishy]

God is God. Nothing needed to convince me. His attributes are all those you deny and more.

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But your posts have agreed with everything I wrote there, so you deny all of those attributes as well as me.
How can you deny his godly attributes and still call him a god?

 

[Quantrill]

But your posts have agreed with everything I wrote there, so you deny all of those attributes as well as me.
How can you deny his godly attributes and still call him a god?

What a fool. You claim I agree with you and then ask me how I can deny something.

I acknowledge God and all His attributes.

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[Gjallarhorn]

What a fool. You claim I agree with you and then ask me how I can deny something.

I acknowledge God and all His attributes.

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God is God, no matter what God may be. Rather empty...