Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[Heathen Hammer]

An incorrect assumption on your part...I have no religion.
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Only your last line is correct.

You have a religion, you just want to be a rebel

 

[Thief]

You have a religion, you just want to be a rebel

Nay again.
No practice of hand...no collection of prayers...no congregation....no one follows me.

Religion is what you do about what you believe....ritual and recital.

I have only faith.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Which you got somewhere that sounds strangely like a whole host of other peoples'. Denial's not really relevant. In any case...

 

[nnmartin]

I am sure you can just believe in God but not have a religion.

I mean what if you lived on a small island where there were no books etc..you could still have an inner belief in God and worship in your own way.

what religion would this be?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

If you lived on an isolated island, it would at least be superficially different. It doesn't matter what name you use to describe it, it's still a religion. This hipster idea of being edgy and denying any connection to anyone else's faith gives some people a superficial boost of ego, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it still goes well with Peking sauce. A use of God to place ones-self in a position to judge others and to feel superior to them [because naturally God acts and thinks exactly as you do] when they disagree with you, yeah, we've never seen that before.

Having to lie or redefine words... tch.

 

[nnmartin]

Now what would this religious God believing type feel like if later on in his life as an adult he moved to the mainland and discovered modern society for the first time and all the myriad religious and spiritual possibilities.

how would he feel if he were to be introduced to the Bible and Christian church or was invited along to a Wiccan ritual?

How about if he was shown to a Buddhist temple and taught about the process of enlightenment.

He would be one confused chap I am sure.

What about his island God - where would that fit in?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Why wouldn't it fit in for him?

 

[nnmartin]

well he would have his ideas and beliefs of his own island God but then be exposed to a whole load of theology, philosophy, ritual and other people's views of the new religions he was exposed to.

How would he maintain the faith in his own God?

 

[waitasec]

well he would have his ideas and beliefs of his own island God but then be exposed to a whole load of theology, philosophy, ritual and other people's views of the new religions he was exposed to.

How would he maintain the faith in his own God?

a part of growing up is realizing you are sometimes....wrong.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

well he would have his ideas and beliefs of his own island God but then be exposed to a whole load of theology, philosophy, ritual and other people's views of the new religions he was exposed to.

How would he maintain the faith in his own God?

How do you maintain your faith in yours given the fact that, in this Information Age, every religion Man follows can be known to you? he certainly wouldn't simply abandon his indigenous faith because he learned there were others.

Would you? It doesn't seem like you did.

 

[connermt]

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

It's all about belief. A group of people wrote what they saw/heard (and not all of them saw/heard the same thing, though it was supposed to be the same incident - go figure). Others came along and said "this is a great story" and used it to create the cult that exists today.
How does this answer your question? Because christianity isn't about proof, but about belief. People BELIEVE he had to die for the sins of the world - past present and future. This, along with the group of stories written by men and edited by other men known as the bible, helps them to justify their actions.
When you find something that can justify your actions, people tend to stick with it.
And no jesus wasn't a demi-god. He was both fully god and fully man. It's christian math: 1+1=yellow submarine if the bible says so. Doesn't have to make sense, just have to be written in the bible.

 

[Thief]

Which you got somewhere that sounds strangely like a whole host of other peoples'. Denial's not really relevant. In any case...

Have you not been making denial?...your postings are ...'relevant'?

 

[Thief]

If you lived on an isolated island, it would at least be superficially different. It doesn't matter what name you use to describe it, it's still a religion. This hipster idea of being edgy and denying any connection to anyone else's faith gives some people a superficial boost of ego, but when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it still goes well with Peking sauce. A use of God to place ones-self in a position to judge others and to feel superior to them [because naturally God acts and thinks exactly as you do] when they disagree with you, yeah, we've never seen that before.

Having to lie or redefine words... tch.

So you do recognize faith when you see it?
And fail to have faith on your part.

Shallow assumptions and accusations on your part.

But reducing my belief to lies and redefinition?.....tch.

 

[nnmartin]

that seems to be the way with many people these days.

I can't see why people can't just read the Bible and accept it for what it is.

if it doesn't appeal, then search for meaning elsewhere.

 

[fishy]

I can't see why people can't just read the Bible and accept it for what it is.

Some of us do.
Just one of the reasons not to believe.

 

[Thief]

Some of us do.
Just one of the reasons not to believe.

No scripture for you?....okay.
From another thread moments ago...I quote myself...

"You keep harping on the word...'evidence'...
You should be looking for the... 'cause'...

You are chasing after evidence...and it has already been explained to you,
faith requires no proving.
Your insistence for evidence, while knowing there will be none...
displays you as irrational.

The proper rational does begin with an assumption...life after death.
Immediately....no proof.
The rest of the 'faith' follows in like manner.
When constructed properly it makes all good sense.
Hierarchy, order in heaven, peace....I would hope so.

Take away the first assumption and nothing waits for you...but the grave.
No form of light follows anyone into the ground.
Really is dark down there.

Now...insistence for evidence does what good?"

The above quote was written for someone who can't get around what he sees...what he doesn't see....

Scripture may well be 'poor'...if you are seeking evidence.
But I see no cause to surrender faith.

 

[fishy]

No need to quote it all

I didn't ask for evidence, I have all the evidence I need, I'm not a cop
Why is life after death the rational assumption?
It is the result of conceit, hubris, you are too important just to end, there must be more than this 4score and ten.............you are just so important.
The evidence denies your rational assumption as does rational thought, as opposed to wishful thinking.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

So you do recognize faith when you see it?
And fail to have faith on your part.
Shallow assumptions and accusations on your part.
But reducing my belief to lies and redefinition?.....tch.

Because you ask, I recognise faith when I see it, and i see how it fills some empty individuals with a sense of power and supremacy they completely lack. You are definitely one such person. My faith however is completely different than yours, more valid, and results in wisdom pursued and gained. As a Norse polytheist I live under the order to seek actual knowledge, and to implement it, rather than hide from it. Knowledge is our foundation. The Gods give wisdom and ability to Man in my faith; in yours, God hid wisdom in a fruit and forbade it being eaten, and punished those who ate anyway with death and horror. This is in relation to this topic thread. Your God is the enemy of knowledge.

Are you still under delusion that I am an atheist? *chuckle* of course you are. Do you really so lack the ability to interact with others so that you fail to grasp a point repeated to you a number of times? Well, should I be surprised that you still cannot accept it if your God is the foe of learning?

My assumptions come from the evidence of your posts, which are themselves, very shallow attempts at sounding profound when you can do nothing but try and type out many words saying nothing at all. Deepities.

Not all your beliefs are lies and redefinition, just your repeated, but futile, attempt to appear like a 'rogue' while you simultaneously repeat by rote the exact same message and attitude of the people you dream of separating yourself from. There isn't a difference between you and them; none whatsoever. The redefinition of words and outright lies are all you have demonstrated. I am not reducing them, merely exposing them. Lies are the enemies of wisdom.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Human killed Jesus, if anyone demands and explanation it should be God, we saw the perfect light of God and our first reaction was to kill it.

Now did God allow it? Yes, because the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) God took responsibility for our sins and bore them on the cross, he payed the debt and now we are freemen and freewomen.

 

[fishy]

Human killed Jesus, if anyone demands and explanation it should be God, we saw the perfect light of God and our first reaction was to kill it.

Now did God allow it? Yes, because the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) God took responsibility for our sins and bore them on the cross, he payed the debt and now we are freemen and freewomen.

To whom did he pay the debt?