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Did Jesus say he was God???
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Please help me out here. I only converted to Christianity a month ago. Before that I was a Mormon. As a Mormon I believed that Jesus was the son of God but not actually God incarnate.
I'm struggling with what I now believe which is that I don't know what to believe.
I see nothing in the above list convincing me Jesus is God. I'm open to the concept but I see Jesus still as a sort of demi-God. Which I know is through the lens of Mormonism but I have nothing else but 40 years as a Mormon.
Also, is it really that important? Can't I just accept Jesus as my savior and just not worry about his nature?
Thank you.
I'm struggling with what I now believe which is that I don't know what to believe.
I see nothing in the above list convincing me Jesus is God. I'm open to the concept but I see Jesus still as a sort of demi-God. Which I know is through the lens of Mormonism but I have nothing else but 40 years as a Mormon.
Also, is it really that important? Can't I just accept Jesus as my savior and just not worry about his nature?
Thank you.
You can read this book:
Divinity of Christ
http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/theology/divinity_of_christ_pope_shenouda.pdf
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Here's what you should have believed when you were an LDS Christian:
Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all.
Mormon 7:7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.
I guess you weren't paying attention when you were just a "fake Christian."
Now that you're a "real Christian," you can believe that the Father is the same individual as the Son. When you figure out how that works, would you mind letting me know?
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outhouse
Atheistically
the divinity and definition of jesus was argued about long after his death for hundreds of years.
A roman dictator [constantine] influenced the definition and the trinity concept of god being 3 parts and jesus being one a long with the spirit was born.
Many people do not follow this and look at jesus as the son of god.
No matter how you slice it people deified him.
Yes you dont need to be on one side or the other to enjoy christianity despite what hard liners say on one side or the other
I can't guarantee I will figure it out, only that I'm open to new ideas.
I just can't accept that they are two separate beings anymore which would be polytheism. (as per 1st vision), Nor do I understand how they are "one God" as per Mormon 7:7.
I can't explain it, not sure if I ever will be able to.
I just can't accept that they are two separate beings anymore which would be polytheism. (as per 1st vision), Nor do I understand how they are "one God" as per Mormon 7:7.
I can't explain it, not sure if I ever will be able to.
bjpascoal said:
That's what I figured. But I'd still like to read about and understand all sides before I just give up.
No proofs = useless posts (as usual).
When you tried to discuss this with me before, you had to unfaithfully quote wikipedia, remember?
So stop pretending you know all the history of the world.
First off just spouting off posts as "useless" doesn't help your argument, it just makes it look worse. You should attempt to defend your arguments without attacking personally. Secondly, attaching "God" to the end of "I am" does not make sense in the context of the verse. They sought to stone Jesus for several reasons including blasphemy but it does not mean Jesus was guilty of anything, ever. Besides "Ye are gods" should ring a bell.
funny you didn't say the same about the post that I quoted which had the same word.
Try to actually read the context of this post.
I've been over it thanks.
outhouse
Atheistically
blah blah blah ba ba blah
if you dont have the kowledge or education to refute my post dont bother with the useless drivel.
you embarrass yourself
outhouse
Atheistically
Ya dont give up, theres alot of wonderful history surrounding the subject.
Trinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
all scholars recognize that the Creeds themselves were created in reaction to disagreements over the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This means no one could agree about the divinity and definition of deities.
Jesus didnt write a word and no one that knew the man ever wrote a word about him. Much of what we do know was passed down through oral transmission for ten years or more to almost a hundred years after for some text.
the dogma you personally want to follow with who you trust more then anything else.
the trinity concept cannot be found in scripture and was never taught. Man made the concept as he tried to define the deity while maintaining a monotheistic theology. This all came to a head about 325AD at the first council of nicea.
First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Council declared that the Father and the Son are of the same substance and are co-eternal, basing the declaration in the claim that this was a formulation of traditional Christian belief handed down from the Apostles. Under Constantine's influence.
above shows that it came down to a court like hearing in which no one could agree and the roman emporer Constantine put his foot down and settled the debate. And thus christianity had a definition at that time that father and son were the same.
again no where in scripture is the trinity preached or taught in any shape or form.
This is what I call unfaithful quoting.
Compare the above quote to the real quote:
Where did the part in red go?
Did you have to cut it out to support your claims?
You failed to copy this from the same site:
blah blah blah ba ba blah
if you dont have the kowledge or education to refute my post dont bother with the useless drivel.
you embarrass yourself
I guess my previous post shows who's the one who embarrasses himself
not nom
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yeah, but I think your future posts will be able to show that even better
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outhouse
Atheistically
wrong that added parts to the quotes have nothing to do with the statements I made. its why I did not add them.
you go way off base and didnt prove a single statement I said wrong, you gave no rebuttle at all,,,,,, you only attacked my statement for what you felt it lacked. try and follow a long if you can.
Again you embarrass yourself.
Conatantine did not force the hamoouasian view BUT he did force them to all agree with it or be banished, EVEN with that some did not go with his wishes. Many bishops who were apposed did not even show to the council.
Without Constantine the trinity would not have taken place as its known today.