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Did Jesus say he was God???
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Do you want to reread the question before saying this again:
waitasec
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Do you want to reread the question before saying this again:
before we go any further please explain how you interpret even as and just as in this context.
but as it stands the answer is yes.
So you're saying Jesus is not of this world because of "the belief that jesus is the son of god through faith"
I don't think this makes any sense.
How about this:
(John 3:13 [NIV]) No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.
waitasec
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sure it does
8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me
all that points towards faith in a belief.
if you want to dig a bigger whole we can go there, but i would rather stick to
john 17. however, i have a distinct feeling you will insist for me to respond to this moot point of yours.
1st you are going to have to explain how was jesus supposed to have gone into heaven if he hasn't died yet?
if jesus had said, 'no one has ever been to heaven except....' that would make more sense for your argument...but he doesn't say that now does he
your argument isn't with me it is with the gospel of john.
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"they believed"
What I believe I made clear is that this is not the same for Jesus. He is not of this world since He is from heaven.
waitasec
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you may believe that, but you haven't. i have already asked you a few times to explain your interpretation of just as and even as in this context, but you just ignored it...
waitasec
Veteran Member
just as they are...
6 I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world....11...that they may be one as we are one..."
You're going in circles.
This doesn't mean they are not of this world.
waitasec
Veteran Member
how do you interpret "to those whom you gave me out of the world"?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
He likes to change the subject then when you reply to his subject change..he accuses you of changing the subject.....:areyoucra
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about.
How about giving us some more references that disprove you, like you did before.
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waitasec
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i know what i mean and i've been supporting what i mean...
jesus is not of this world as his disciples are not.
now in order for this discourse to go anywhere, you need to explain to me how you interpret "to those whom you gave me out of the world" and why you interpret it that way...
yes it does..
"They were yours; you gave them to me"
waitasec
Veteran Member
You said: those who had faith ...
and I didn't object.
When I asked you to apply the same thing to Jesus, you couldn't.
You know I was on topic.yeah like saying
"one thing at a time."
waitasec
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my answer was yes all along. you were the one who got confused.
it is in faith that gives any of this nonsense sense, right?
" to those whom you gave me out of the world"
"They were yours; you gave them to me"
"protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one."
I think you're the one that got confused.
Explain how is Jesus "not of this world"
what you said so far is:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2719438-post5545.html