Did the Babylonians invent Judaism?

[waitasec]

Actually, I am not. You're the one who insists on equating the Pesach sacrifice to human sacrifice. It's an agenda-driven misreading of the text with which you feed your persistent hatred. ... and, besides, I very much like lamb - pascal or otherwise.

humans were sacrificed....in the passover.
to some, the spirit of god didn't pass over but passed through and killed their 1st born.

an interesting tale, i must say.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

humans were sacrificed....in the passover.

By whom? For whom?

 

[waitasec]

By whom? For whom?

i answered that
the israelites for the israelites.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

i answered that
the israelites for the israelites.

Show me. (You know that blood libel has a somewhat long and despicable history, right?)

 

[waitasec]

Show me. (You know that blood libel has a somewhat long and despicable history, right?)

this never happened dear.

did you not read my post?

it's folklore...


did a character named robin hood really steal from the rich?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

i answered that
the israelites for the israelites.

Show me. (You know that blood libel has a somewhat long and despicable history, right?)

Show me evidence that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

 

[waitasec]

Show me evidence that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

the sacrifice wasn't actually carried out as i don't believe this event ever happened. it's folklore:

Folklore (or lore) consists of legends, music, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, fairy tales, stories, tall tales, and customs that are the traditions of a culture, subculture, or group. It is also the set of practices through which those expressive genres are shared.
Folklore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

the sacrifice wasn't actually carried out as i don't believe this event ever happened. it's folklore:

Show me evidence of folklore claiming that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

 

[Hawkeye112200]

Was it not the blood of animals used for the Passover? I've never heard of human sacrifice, should be interesting, folklore or not.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The Korban Pesach was the sacrifice of a young lamb or goat. The blood libel being spewed by waitasec is simply the antisemitic figment of a sick agenda.

 

[waitasec]

The Korban Pesach was the sacrifice of a young lamb or goat. The blood libel being spewed by waitasec is simply the antisemitic figment of a sick agenda.

so you're telling me that the 1st born of the egyptians were not killed off supposedly in this folklore?
ex 13:15

When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed every firstborn in Egypt, both man and animal. This is why I sacrifice to the LORD the first male offspring of every womb and redeem each of my firstborn sons.'

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The Korban Pesach was the sacrifice of a young lamb or goat. The blood libel being spewed by waitasec is simply the antisemitic figment of a sick agenda.

so you're telling me that the 1st born of the egyptians were not killed off supposedly in this folklore?

Apparently your gnawing hatred is distorting your perception, since that is clearly not what I said. What I did say, however, and what you persistantly avoid as you wallow in blood libel, is:

Show me evidence of folklore claiming that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.​

I'm waiting.

When Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed every firstborn in Egypt, both man and animal.

That is, indeed, the story. Furthermore:

The Passover sacrifice (Hebrew: korban Pesakh קרבן פסח ), also known as the "sacrifice of Passover", the Paschal Lamb, or the Passover Lamb, is the sacrifice that the Torah mandates to be brought on the eve of Passover, and eaten on the first night of the holiday with bitter herbs and matzo. According to the Torah, it was first offered on the night of the Israelites' Exodus from Egypt. Although practiced by Jews in ancient times, the ritual is no longer performed today except by certain minority groups. [ibid]

That is, the Passover sacrifice, the one commemorated by Jews and the one you dispicably equate with human sacrifice, was the sacrifice of a young animal carried out hours before the tenth plague. So, again: Show me evidence of folklore claiming that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

This is why I sacrifice to the LORD the first male offspring of every womb and redeem each of my firstborn sons.'

I don't presume to know why you do what you do. I certainly do not know why you persist in this silly antisemitic distortion. But the Torah and the tradition are every bit as clear as is your blood libel. You really need to stop and think about what you're doing.

 

[waitasec]

Apparently your gnawing hatred is distorting your perception, since that is clearly not what I said. What I did say, however, and what you persistantly avoid as you wallow in blood libel, is:

Show me evidence of folklore claiming that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.​

I'm waiting.

That is, indeed, the story. Furthermore:

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That is, the Passover sacrifice, the one commemorated by Jews and the one you dispicably equate with human sacrifice, was the sacrifice of a young animal carried out hours before the tenth plague. So, again: Show me evidence of folklore claiming that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

I don't presume to know why you do what you do. I certainly do not know why you persist in this silly antisemitic distortion. But the Torah and the tradition are every bit as clear as is your blood libel. You really need to stop and think about what you're doing.

in this folklore people were killed off by god...they were sacrificed to pay for the sin of not freeing the israelites...yes it was a sacrifice since those who were murdered by god were innocent people who only crime was they were egyptians...who btw, were not holding the israelites hostage..the pharaoh was....presumably....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Lamb is yummy.

I second that.....:drool:

 

[Oryonder]

Fortunately, anyone capable of such transparent idiocy as ...... is unlikely to be taken seriously by anyone other than the stormfront crowd. I mean, really: "edited 1000 years later when it was actually put to paper." :biglaugh:

Anyone can have an opinion .. but is it informed ?

1) The OT states plainly that Israelites engaged in human sacrifice in numerous places.

2) When did you think the OT was written and where is your support for this claim ?

 

[waitasec]

Anyone can have an opinion .. but is it informed ?

1) The OT states plainly that Israelites engaged in human sacrifice in numerous places.

2) When did you think the OT was written and where is your support for this claim ?

be forewarned...he's the sensitive type.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

humans were sacrificed....in the passover.

By whom? For whom?

i answered that

the israelites for the israelites.

Show me evidence that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.

in this folklore people were killed off by god...

Yes, in the narrative people and animals were killed by God. Now let's get back to your despicable blood libel:

Show me evidence that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

1) The OT states plainly that Israelites engaged in human sacrifice in numerous places.

Then you should be able to plainly and conclusively demonstrate that 'fact'.

 

[waitasec]

Yes, in the narrative people and animals were killed by God. Now let's get back to your despicable blood libel:

Show me evidence that the Passover sacrifice was a human sacrifice carried out by Israelites for Israelites.​

haven't you of all people read the torah dear?


innocent lives were murdered by some vengeful god in a folk tale conjured up by the tribe of israel....for the general assembly of israel.

 

[Oryonder]

Then you should be able to plainly and conclusively demonstrate that 'fact'.

Elijah tells how he was the "only" priest in Israel for Yahweh. 450 Priests of Baal and 400 for Asherah (and these Gods demanded human sacrifice as described below.)

Israel was devoted to Gods other than Yahweh at least 950 to 1 !

16And they forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made for themselves molten images of two calves; and they made an Asherah, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
17And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings, and used divination and sorcery, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger.
18Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight; none was left but the tribe of Judah only. (2 Kgs. 17:16-18

Jeremiah has the same story

30"For the sons of Judah have done evil in my sight, says the LORD; they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to defile it.
31And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind. (Jer. 7:30-31)
35They built the high places of Baal in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. (Jer. 32:35

Ezekiel .. a same thing ..

20And you took your sons and your daughters, whom you had borne to me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your harlotries so small a matter
21that you slaughtered my children and delivered them up as an offering by fire to them? (Ezek. 16:20-21)