Renji
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Uhm, do have any basis to support that?Yes we do.
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Uhm, do have any basis to support that?Yes we do.
Let's say I took your demon definition of Djinns which is inaccurate, if Allah created everything absolutely then he is essentially Lord of demons, Djinn,s humans, Satan, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't jinns creatures/spirits that are made of fire? And if I'm not mistaken, Satan is also made of fire,based on Islamic teachings, according to what I've red on google... Can you please clarrify to me, how come that these jinns (and Satan himself) become the servant of God if they are actually considered as the tempters of man? If He wants us to be saved, why should He allow these jinns to be his servants? Someone clarify please...
I'm really surprised this thread has gotten to page 30, it seems like a really silly question to me. Do Christians and Muslims worship the same G-d? Duh, Jews worship the one G-d, the creator of all. Christians worship the one G-d, the creator of all. Muslims worship the one G-d, the creator of all. All of the Abrahamic religions are charecterized by their staunch monotheism, we all 3 worship the one G-d thus logic would dictate that we all worship the same Deity. Though things do get difficult with Christianity and their worship of Jesus as G-d but from what I understand this isn't an inherent part of the Christian tradition.
Jinns were created from fire before man, and they have free-will too. So accordingly they are Allah's servants like us, and among them there are the Muslims, and non-muslims too.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't jinns creatures/spirits that are made of fire? And if I'm not mistaken, Satan is also made of fire,based on Islamic teachings, according to what I've red on google... Can you please clarrify to me, how come that these jinns (and Satan himself) become the servant of God if they are actually considered as the tempters of man? If He wants us to be saved, why should He allow these jinns to be his servants? Someone clarify please...
Of course they do. Even Jews. They all three worship the God of Abraham, hence the term Abrahamic religions. The main divisive issue is the Jews do not see Jesus as anyone special, the Christians see him as the Messiah, and the Muslims see him as a prophet. But as for the one supreme God,.Allah is the God that all three worship
I'm really surprised this thread has gotten to page 30, it seems like a really silly question to me. Do Christians and Muslims worship the same G-d? Duh, Jews worship the one G-d, the creator of all. Christians worship the one G-d, the creator of all. Muslims worship the one G-d, the creator of all. All of the Abrahamic religions are charecterized by their staunch monotheism, we all 3 worship the one G-d thus logic would dictate that we all worship the same Deity. Though things do get difficult with Christianity and their worship of Jesus as G-d but from what I understand this isn't an inherent part of the Christian tradition.
Jinns were created from fire before man, and they have free-will too. So accordingly they are Allah's servants like us, and among them there are the Muslims, and non-muslims too.
Iblees (Satan) is from the jinns. It is said that he was an angel, and when he disobeyed the command of Allah (to prostrate to Adam PBUH), Allah cursed him and he became Satan....
It is more explained in those verses, if you don't mind giving a look at them...
[7:11] And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves.
[7:12] (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate yourself, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."
[7:13] (Allah) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."
[7:14] (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
[7:15] (Allah) said: "You are of those respited."
[7:16] (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.
[7:17] Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."
[7:18] (Allah) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."
By the way there is a full chapter in the Qur'an about Jinns....
Iblees (the devil) and the jinn (demons) are merely variant names used in the Koran for the same Biblical characters, Larry
The Trinity, crucifix, resurrection, communion, Hail Marys, and what have you stem from the Christian views of Jesus. The Jews do not have this because Jesus is seen as no body significant. The Muslims view Jesus as a prophet. But Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, or one of the more cultural or or language spelling correct names of God, he is the same God. It's not sugarcoating anything, it's rather the acknowledgment that they all worship the same exact God, and even the Koran states this that the Jews and Christians are too Muslim, which translates to "submissive to God" in which they are all submissive to the same God.But your ignoring the Trinity, the crucifixion, the reserection. the very nature of the Christian God, original sin and the need for redemption through Christ, compared the Muslim God. Why do people do that? Sugar it over ? its like a magic spell that wont let people look to deeply in case they dont like what they see.
By the way there is a full chapter in the Qur'an about Jinns....
I know right. I know the lore. What I'm asking is why they regard the jinns as servants of God because in our doctrines brother, I know you have the knowledge about this, Satan and his cohorts are considered as mechanism to test the faithful, the Enemy of Salvation and the Ancient enemy. I think, he wasn't considered as God's servant in our doctrine, brother. I want to compare.
The Trinity, crucifix, resurrection, communion, Hail Marys, and what have you stem from the Christian views of Jesus. The Jews do not have this because Jesus is seen as no body significant. The Muslims view Jesus as a prophet. But Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, or one of the more cultural or or language spelling correct names of God, he is the same God. It's not sugarcoating anything, it's rather the acknowledgment that they all worship the same exact God, and even the Koran states this that the Jews and Christians are too Muslim, which translates to "submissive to God" in which they are all submissive to the same God.
It's a different approach to the same God. The Christians believe Jesus was/is divine, so of course he is considered a part of God, but to the Muslims he isn't God, but was still sent from God. It's one of the differences between the two religions, but they both believe the same God created everything, and sent Jesus to fulfill whichever role he was ascribed by either religion.Precisely! the Trinity, Crucifiction, resurrection ,communion, original sin, all stem from Christian views of God or in Particular of Jesus as either ,part of God, the son of God or God himself. that's not the exact God is it? and its not the Muslim God is it ?
It's a different approach to the same God. The Christians believe Jesus was/is divine, so of course he is considered a part of God, but to the Muslims he isn't God, but was still sent from God. It's one of the differences between the two religions, but they both believe the same God created everything, and sent Jesus to fulfill whichever role he was ascribed by either religion.
How is it that your book of faith has entire chapters named in honor of demons?
What kind of a holy book does this?