Trey of Diamonds
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Ah, not my idea at all but still a subject for a different thread.
What exactly do you mean by under grace? Do all children receive this grace or just Christian children?
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Do innocent children go to Heaven or Hell?
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Ah, not my idea at all but still a subject for a different thread.
What exactly do you mean by under grace? Do all children receive this grace or just Christian children?
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Does that mean all children get to go to Heaven or just Christian? Is heaven filled with children from all cultures, races and religions?
InChrist
Free4ever
While everyone is born with a sin nature, I believe any child of any culture/race is considered innocent and their spirit goes directly to the Lord when they die, if they have not reached the point or age of understanding and are not yet accountable for sin.
waitasec
Veteran Member
so what constitutes sin, the knowledge of it?
Interesting question. Not meaning to hijack the thread, but this is along the lines of something I've thought about a lot: what happens to anyone who has never had a chance to even learn about Christ or the Bible, much less accept it all as true? Different cultures, with different religious traditions, who've never heard of Jesus, etc.
I'm enjoying reading the responses so far!
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I think it is the rejection of Christ that dooms one. I believe that until a child has the mental capcity to reject Christ then they are not in danger.
Mortal sin, that is sin which endangers the eternal welfare of the soul, requires knowledge that what one does is wrong.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Innocent? Kids under the age of two are some of the biggest jerkoffs on the planet.
If god and an afterlife exists, and god is just then I'd be inclined to say yes.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Yes to what? They all go to Hell?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Sometimes older than two. :sarcastic
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
So does that extend to those people who haven't been exposed to Christianity or only to their children? If this exception exists for getting into Heaven could there be others we aren't aware of?
Heaven. If he's just then he'll realise that they were too young to be able to decide
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I was trying to leave you out of this.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Fair enough, but doesn't that count as an exception to the rule of "Thou shalt accept Christ as your savior or go to hell"? And if so, could there be other exceptions as well? Possibly even some that the church has suppresed so that they could use fear to control the flock?
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
Eternal life is a gift, the option is to die or live, and Christ wants us to live
John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I'm a tiny bit of an inclusivist because I believe Christ is a just judge and he made it clear he all Children belong to him. We also know some who are igorant may be judged better
Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
Lastly even if they aren't saved because they didn't find Jesus their punishment will be swift and with fair measure
Luke 12:48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Not a Christian so I'm not subject to that
. I was arguing on the basis that God is just. There could be many other exceptions. For example people who've never heard the word of god but are moral people. people who are moral would be saved. Ironically Christians who aren't moral (not sure there are many) would go to hell etc. Of course if God is just you could argue that he'd only send himself to hell (depending on how responsible he feels he is)
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
So you're saying that the punishment will fit the crime for everyone, not just children. I like that but doesn't it go against the tenet that the only way into Heaven is through Christ? And isn't the only other option Hell? I know many Christians who will not budge on this and believe there are no exceptions at all.
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
I'd have to depend on my quote from Paul's letter to the Romans and my personal belief in anonymous Christians. I can hope for Inclusivism but it's Christ's call
"Hell" in the traditional sense I've come to doubt, but death is the natural consequence of sin
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is true Christ is the way, the truth and the light, So he will be the judge of all men
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
What exactly is an anonymous Christian?