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Do innocent children go to Heaven or Hell?
- Thread starter Trey of Diamonds
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Scary isn't it? And yet there are some who actually believe that.
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
Some who is doing everything right (possibly by the Holy Spirit) and doesn't even know it
Justin Martyr puts it
I'd never preach this as dogma, just a bit of wishful thinking. God will always have his remnant of all nations, who that includes we'll find out on Judgment day, there will be a lot of surprises, but I have enough faith not to worry about it
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Very interesting views, I applaud them. :clap
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
No, that would not be just and God's justice is perfect. What we inherited from Adam and Eve is mortality for in Adam all die, in Jesus Christ all are made alive.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
When Jesus said "suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for such is the kingdom of God" He was making a plain declaration that little children are sinless just as those who dwell in the kingdom of God are without sin. The concept of original sin is a severe misinterpretation of truth; so foolish is it that one must force their eyes closed to the reality of its foolishness, illogic and just plain stupidity. I have never been able to reconcile someone who will profess the doctrine of original sin and then turn about and point an accusing finger at an Islamic extremist as they spout contradictions of thought and ideas in an attempt to justify their stance - its logically and intellectually insulting.
ohhcuppycakee
Active Member
Children go to heaven. They haven't had the opportunity to sin yet.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
You ask the wrong question - Your question should be "what" is in the coffin for without the spirit the human body is about $2.50 worth of chemistry in water and nothing more.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
You seem to have a real problem with the concept of justice. No one can make a choice when the choice is not placed before them or they have not the mental capability to choose. Little children are not capable of choosing so they are innocent. Our progression toward exaltation in the presence of God did not begin with mortal conception of the body and does not end when we die.
It is a magnificent plan that mankind seems to like to judge according to their own will and prejudices and then proceed to make doctrines and dogmas that fit their own thinking no matter how much bailing wire, tape, smoke and mirrors they have to use to put it all together. The cry to charge ahead is truth and logic be damned - full speed ahead.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
Please understand that it was not my intent to insult Islam, only those who pervert it.
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
Psalm 51:5 "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"
It is by Christ we are set free, we find true repentance and flee from our sins, but Christ still loves the children and can forgive them
Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Jesus isn't saying kids are perfect, but sin has sunk as deep as it will into them yet, truly are they blessed!
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
A physical mirror serves only to show us our flesh, if that flesh was not our place of residence what would we care?
lexi
New Member
Great question Awoon. Made me smile.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
Yes, no one who is old enough to conceive a child is sinless, no one save Christ has ever made it to that age without sinning so this verse does not condemn the child it is only stating that innocence came into a world ripe in iniquity via a sinner. This passage does not claim that the babe brought forth was inherently guilty of anything.
You err, little children need no forgiveness yet you say that Christ "can" forgive them when there is no necessity, on this point you assume too much
He most certainly IS saying that they are sinless for they are like unto the kingdom of God where there is no sin! Or maybe you believe that unclean things can dwell in the presence of God for sin is the manifestation of an unclean thing.
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
I am exactly as I am when someone else looks at me. Seeing my own reflection does not change me as a united spirit and body, death does.
What do you look like when dead?
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
That is like asking "where in the wire does electricity reside", it is a pointless question at best. Energy and matter are the two most basic concepts in all creation. I am because I can feel and recognize the presence of God and be taught and then grow, the key is to grow correctly so as to get yourself where you really want to be.
ForeverFaithful
Son Worshiper
Hope we can have some fun with this
Jeremiah 13:23: (NIV): "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil."
Children are worthy of God's kingdom because they have not rejected God actively yet. Yet their hearts are sinful in every way. It's a clear message that it is by God that we over come the desires of the flesh and our sinful natures, we are not born with any ability to overcome it
Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
All of creation is fallen and not worthy of the kingdom, just as the prodigal son, however Children have yet to fully adopt all the sinful ways of the world (they are not sinless, otherwise we'd be able to stay sinless by our own strength) Christ has promised them mercy, pretty sure he has the authority to do so