Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is no evidence to support that view. IMO God will seek to redeem them forever because He loves them.
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Do innocent sinful people go to hell?
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I believe there is no evidence to support that view. IMO God will seek to redeem them forever because He loves them.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe my NT is fine but your understanding of scripture is not. Jesus did not say how each person ended up where they did but it is certainly suggested that a righteous person ends up comforted and the unrighteous in torment. So rebellion puts a person in the area of being unrighteous. Try this verse out for size:
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, if one rise from the dead.
The homosexual lifestyle isn't a sinful lifestyle. But it is a product of sin. It says that God will hand those over to this strange lifestyles due to them for ignoring Him.. But in the video below,that it speaks about what God thinks about selfishness, that it is an act that doesn't shows any love to your neighbors.
Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
Did Daniel stand up at the end of days or is Daniel still in death's sleep - Ecclesiastes 9:5
To me, Daniel is still waiting to be awakened from death's sleep at the time of the end ( end of badness on Earth )
because even Daniel did Not know the details in his life time - Daniel 12:4; Daniel 12:9
We do Not yet see the pushing of the King of the North - Daniel 11:31; Daniel 11:40
Very interesting because to me Ezekiel 37 is a symbolic vision of the valley of dry bones coming together covered with skin, yet there was No breath in them (spiritually dead) til breath energized their bodies with a spiritual reviving from their spiritually dead state from Babylonian exile. The people came alive spiritually speaking.
In Revelation 11:1-11 that vision also draws on a picture of a physical reality to illustrate another spiritual reviving.
So, to me, often in Scripture there is both a physical and a spiritual reviving, and to me there will be a physical resurrection just as Job happily looked forward to a future time - Job 14:13-14 - resurrection day.
Rather, to me, there ' is going to be' a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
It is the wicked who are to be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
To me, Jesus was righteous and his ransom covers MANY - Matthew 20:28
The MANY also include those 'unrighteous' one who lived and died before Jesus died - John 3:13
The unrighteous ones who never heard or had the opportunity to put faith in Jesus.
Jesus' ransom does Not cover the unrepentant wicked.- Psalms 92:7
So, the unrighteous are Not in torment (or torture) but have the hope of being resurrected out of death's sleep on Resurrection Day meaning restored back to happy-and-healthy physical life during Jesus' coming ' millennium-long day ' of governing over Earth. Thus at that time the unrighteous can prove themselves to become righteous ones.
To me, Adam and Eve were to pro-create by having children and their children to have children and so forth until the Earth is full of people or populated - Genesis 1:28
The wicked are Not yet destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7 -> until Armageddon. (now still time to repent - Acts 17:30 )
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37
The great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 is Not against righteous ones but will go against wicked ones.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will then rid the Earth of wicked ones - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
No one wicked will be left here on Earth when at the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.- Proverbs 2:21-22
To me, Psalms 92:7 stating the wicked will be 'destroyed forever' ( annihilated ) means gone forever.
We won't be able to find the wicked any more -> Psalms 37:10-11; Proverbs 2:21-22
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will get rid of the wicked.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16
lostwanderingsoul
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Yes, the wicked will be destroyed. There is nothing about being tortured forever in a burning hell. The fire will burn them to ashes and they will exist no more.
Genesis 14:18
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,
God of El
Ben Avraham
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Okay Fool, take a look at this:
The Truth About Melchizedek
Here is a column which I consider will crack under the building of Christianity. Who was Melchizedek? This man was a pagan Canaanite king, who happened to be the king of Salem, ancient name for Jerusalem.
Abram had just returned from a battle with five kings, and, on his way to Beersheba, he paused in Jerusalem for a repast. He and his men were tired and weary of the military campaign. Melchizedek, afraid perhaps that Abram would take on him too and conquer Jerusalem out of his hands, immediately brought forth bread and wine to him and his troops. For Abram, it was a relieve. He didn't have to fight another king.
Now, please, I must remind you that I am reading from the originals in Hebrew and not from the Gentile adulterated version of the KJV. Why would Melchizedek prefer to feed Abram and his army instead of fighting him? Because he, Abram, and not Melchizedek was the priest of God most High, whose seed would be of a nation of priests and kings. (Exod. 19:6; Isa. 61:6)
Then, as Melchizedek served the food and drink, he blessed Abram. Please focus on how he blessed Abram. "Blessed be Abram of God Most High." It means that Melchizedek would recognize that Abram was the one Priest of God the Most High. Creator of the universe." Then, for all the bread and wine, and that blessing of recognition of who Abram really was, Abram shared with him a tenth of the spoils taken from the kings in battle.
Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.
Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exod. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of priests and kings through Israel.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
Melchisedek could of have been a King like Lucifer, who had kept the word of God, the book of Jasher. There were righteous people that had recorded the truth about their history. Melchisedek must of had known about the descendant of Abram will take over the land that they had possessed. Because he had went out in the wilderness to meet him. And so Mechisedekl must of had been a believer like the Magi.
Ben Avraham
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Sorry Habiru, but none of your speculations makes sense to me.
The point that I'm trying to make is that Melchisedek could of received his information as the way the Magi that weren't Israelites, but received their info from some other source. In those days, the Tribes of Israel were told to keep records of event for themselves. The book of Jasher was one of these recordings, even before Moses whom had written the first books of the Bible. The word Jasher means the upright or righteous. And which it could of have meant that these were Holy men (The Jashers) that had kept records and past it down to the next appointed righteous man that will not record lies.. But the books that God told Moses to rewrite, never mentioned what exactly the sin that they had committed. Like in the story about Noah and Ham. That it never uncovered what type of sin that Ham has committed and others that were in these books, because God wanted to keep these books Holy. But they were many other Holy men before Abraham. But God had chosen Abraham, because he did not know him, but he had done what is right before God. And then God has put him to the test, and he has chosen to do what God asked him to do. And what Abraham has done was by faith. And it says that the righteous will live by faith. And so, Melchisedek could of have been one of these Jashers, like in the time of Jesus. That John the Baptist was a wanderer, that had walked upright. But some scholars believe that he was an Essene, a group of people that had walked upright.
Genesis 4:1 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
Matthew 2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. ...
Psalm 8:3 When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,
Ben Avraham
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Have you ever asked Luke about this store of the Magi from the East? He claims in Acts 1:1-3 that he wrote every thing about Jesus from his birth to his death and that he had missed nothing. Ask him why did he miss so important an event in the life of Jesus? He lost the greatest evidence that Jesus had been born king of the Jews.
The reason why Luke did not added in the story of the Magi. It is because he wanted the people to know about other things that were going on in those times. He figured that the people will put the books together and read it as one as one. He has known about everyone at the time already has known about the story of the Magis. Jesus told them that they can interpret the sky, the starry host. By reading the appearance of the sky, but they did not know about what time that it were, but only John known. In the beginning, it said that God created the solar system for us to know the times and events, sort of like a calendar. If they practiced these events, then they will know what is going to come next.
This is one of the signs to know of His coming.
Jeremiah 31:15 This is what the Lord says: “A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”
Matthew 2:18 “A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”
Exodus 1:
20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.
22 Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: “Every Hebrew boy that is born you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live.”
Jasher 2:
19 For in those days the sons of men began to trespass against God, and to transgress the commandments which he had commanded to Adam, to be fruitful and multiply in the earth.
20 And some of the sons of men caused their wives to drink a draught that would render them barren, in order that they might retain their figures and whereby their beautiful appearance might not fade.
21 And when the sons of men caused some of their wives to drink, Zillah drank with them.
Matthew 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Ecclesiastes 3 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens:
Ben Avraham
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Habiru - The reason why Luke did not added in the story of the Magi. It is because he wanted the people to know about other things that were going on in those times. He figured that the people will put the books together and read it as one as one. He has known about everyone at the time already has known about the story of the Magis. Jesus told them that they can interpret the sky, the starry host. By reading the appearance of the sky, but they did not know about what time that it were, but only John known. In the beginning, it said that God created the solar system for us to know the times and events, sort of like a calendar. If they practiced these events, then they will know what is going to come next.[/quote]
Ben - Really! Are you sure Habiru! How about the slaughter of the children, commanded by Herod from 2 years old and down? Luke missed that one too. Do you think it was for the same reason? And Jesus' trip to Egypt, do you think that happened or Luke thought it was only in the dreams of Matthew? He missed the only chance Jesus had to traveling abroad. Don't you think that the Hellenist who wrote the gospel attributed to Matthew plagiarized those two events of the time of Israel in Egypt? Perhaps he wanted to fit Jesus into the prophecy of Hosea 11:1 when HaShem said, "From Egypt I called My Son." That's a reference to Exodus 4:22,23 where we have, "Israel is My Son", said the Lord. So, "from Egypt I called My Son." (Hosea 11:1) Can you feel the problem suggestive here of vandalism? Amazing, isn't it!
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Ben - Really! Are you sure Habiru! How about the slaughter of the children, commanded by Herod from 2 years old and down? Luke missed that one too. Do you think it was for the same reason? And Jesus' trip to Egypt, do you think that happened or Luke thought it was only in the dreams of Matthew? He missed the only chance Jesus had to traveling abroad. Don't you think that the Hellenist who wrote the gospel attributed to Matthew plagiarized those two events of the time of Israel in Egypt? Perhaps he wanted to fit Jesus into the prophecy of Hosea 11:1 when HaShem said, "From Egypt I called My Son." That's a reference to Exodus 4:22,23 where we have, "Israel is My Son", said the Lord. So, "from Egypt I called My Son." (Hosea 11:1) Can you feel the problem suggestive here of vandalism? Amazing, isn't it![/QUOTE]
Luke was Paul's scribe. Luke were not there at the execution. Luke had interpreted what Paul told him to do. But Paul did had stated that he had written one of the letters, but the rest were written by his scribes. Luke was very intelligent person for someone in those times. The Gospel of Luke could of have been from his own words, and or he could of have been writing down Paul's vision. Paul had made a statement about John's revelations. That he speaks to others about John's revelations, but he doesn't speak to others about his visions and revelations from God. Luke was a Greek, and the Romans and Greeks worn Togas. It has mentioned during Jesus arrest, that a young boy that was dressed wearing only a blanket wrapped around himself had fled away naked. That young boy could of have been Luke., Because Romans and Greeks were the only ones that had worn Togas. The Jews weren't allowed to dress like heathens. That is why the Jews referred them as heathens, because they did not covered up much. Their statues were considered as pornographic to the Jews. And so Luke could of have written down Pauls revelations and put down himself as the author, or the one that has written it, but not his story.
2 Corinthians 12:1 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, 7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations.
Mark 14:51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.
And about the Egypt travel. It is said that we must enter into the belly for three days and night. A third of our life. Jesus started to talk at the temple when he was about twelve, and which that was a third of his life. And so that shows that when Jesus had went back to Israel. Because the very first thing that He had to do when he came back, and that is to handle His Father's business affairs. At the time Egypt was considered as the belly of the beast. As the same way Abraham and the Hebrews went to Egypt. To learn.
chinu
chinu
No, they are already in hell.
Like.. the pig enjoy very much to stay in dirt.
Similarly.. innocent-sinful enjoy very much to stay in this world/hell.
Yes, the correct word is Innocent-sinful, rather than sinful.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
No, they are already in hell.
Like.. the pig enjoy very much to stay in dirt.
Similarly.. innocent-sinful enjoy very much to stay in this world/hell.
Yes, the correct word is Innocent-sinful, rather than sinful.
Yes, whether innocent or hitler-like people they will all go to hell. Why? Because I am talking about the only real hell that exists aka Sheol aka the grave. To go to hell, one only thing one needs is to have been born.