Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[janesix]

Put the components together and sit back and watch.

That isn't proof. TRY again

 

[janesix]

So nothing with the Epic of Gilgamesh?

It has similarities. But like I said I haven't studied it in depth. Why do you ask?

 

[Polymath257]

That isn't proof. TRY again

Sure it is. What is missing? No outside intervention anywhere.

 

[janesix]

Because the evidence shows them to be true.

Yawn. Been there, done that. Boring. You atheists are so predictable.

 

[janesix]

Sure it is. What is missing? No outside intervention anywhere.

How did the physical laws come to be?

 

[Valjean]

We come up with using the clicks because they already have an existing meaning that exists within natural laws.

What natural meaning do clicks have?

Phonemes and words are abstract symbols. A word's correspondence with it's referent is arbitrary. The sounds conveying the concept of 'dog' is different in different languages. The phonemes used -- clicks, sibilants, plosives, various vowels, &c. -- are arbitrary.

 

[Audie]

Yawn. Been there, done that. Boring. You atheists are so predictable.

I suppose so. We don't get to just make up anything that suits us.

 

[Polymath257]

How did the physical laws come to be?

Once again, the physical laws describe how things work. So any answer to 'how' would involve such laws.

 

[Polymath257]

Yawn. Been there, done that. Boring. You atheists are so predictable.

So evidence and conforming to observation is irrelevant?

 

[Valjean]

The polyester in our shirts is a side effect of people making those shirts. God doesn't create without mechanism. God said let there be light.

"Let there be light" is not a mechanism, it's an incantation. How it works remains a mystery, ie: magic.
If it weren't magic; if it were understood, we could reproduce the effect with the requisite technology.

 

[janesix]

I suppose so. We don't get to just make up anything that suits us.

Scientists do, all the time. Evolution, black holes, dark matter and energy, there is a long list.

 

[janesix]

Once again, the physical laws describe how things work. So any answer to 'how' would involve such laws.

Yes, keep going. How did those laws come into being?

 

[janesix]

So evidence and conforming to observation is irrelevant?

All scientists do these days is make crap up, in a desperate attempt to avoid doing the real work.

 

[Audie]

Scientists do, all the time. Evolution, black holes, dark matter and energy, there is a long list.

We wonder why you don't just set forth the
disprove of the the theory of evolution.


You would be hailed as the greatest scientist of all ti,me AND, the rest of your sayings would get so much more credibility.

Or tell me how to do it, I won't bevshyvabout grabbing the publicity!

So, whats the data contrary ToE?
The disproof?

 

[janesix]

We wonder why you don't just set forth the
disprove of the the theory of evolution.


You would be hailed as the greatest scientist of all ti,me AND, the rest of your sayings would get so much more credibility.

Or tell me how to do it, I won't bevshyvabout grabbing the publicity!

So, whats the data contrary ToE?
The disproof?

I have many times, and am just not in the mood for it now. It's old news. But it involves convergence, predictability, probability, and other thngs.

 

[1213]

That is almost certainly confirmation bias. How about all of the times that the Bible was wrong?

Like when? (one example is enough, and it would be best if you can show the worst for the Bible)

 

[Skywalker]

"Let there be light" is not a mechanism, it's an incantation. How it works remains a mystery, ie: magic.
If it weren't magic; if it were understood, we could reproduce the effect with the requisite technology.

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It worked through God being self existing, and we can't reproduce the effects with requisite technology because we are not self existing beings.

 

[1213]

Can I ask you a question?

You asked anyway.

You are free to ask anything on my behalf.

 

[Skywalker]

What natural meaning do clicks have?

Phonemes and words are abstract symbols. A word's correspondence with it's referent is arbitrary. The sounds conveying the concept of 'dog' is different in different languages. The phonemes used -- clicks, sibilants, plosives, various vowels, &c. -- are arbitrary.

The sounds of clicks match the meaning of concepts. Phonemes and words have emotion. They are not abstract.

 

[Skywalker]

Why would a sense of right and wrong require there to be a deity.
For that matter, why would it even provide more than weak support
for the notion that there was a deity?




God capitalized is a proper name, a specific god. Assuming there
is a god, do you have reason for believing that god is God?



Because we have prior knowledge there was a builder. What
prior knowledge do we have that the universe had a creator?

All laws require a lawgiver. God is against sin because sins involve confusion.

I believe that Jesus is God, because of the love that he had for his creation in dying for our sins. We all sin. We are not perfect. Jesus dying for us was like a lawyer taking the place of a criminal who committed a crime.