That is a false dichotomony. It is possible to change U.S. immigration policy to reduce the number of terrorists illegally entering the U.S. without requiring the U.S. to become a police state.
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Do you own the USA? (Closed/open border debate)
- Thread starter an anarchist
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Since that wasn't the only point I made, this comment is gratuitous. Also there are things that follow from it. Such as indicating that U.S. policy needs to consider these terrorist illegal immigrants when formulating its immigration policies.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What is immigration policy to you?
If a person outside immigration rules enters the country illegally, then rules for people entering legally don't matter in that case.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Fair enough, see above
Immigration policy covers both those entering the country legally and illegally.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Immigration policy covers both those entering the country legally and illegally.
So how do you enforce the policy for those entering illegally?
an anarchist
Your local loco.
It is not an irrelevant point.
There are more terrorists among the domestic population. Should we kick out "concerning" Americans who we fear might do a shooting?
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I have not seen the stats on terrorism, but it is certainly true (the data proves it, and no I am not providing a link) that native born citizens commit more crimes than undocumented immigrants.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Let's see this list of terrorists who crossed the southern border vs terrorists who were already American citizens or entered legally.
I found this on Google where someone like you claims a first.
Calling It: America Just Suffered the First Terror Attack by a Border-Crossing Illegal Alien
By refusing repeated chances to simply rule out a terrorism motive for a May 3 truck-breaching attack on the Quantico Marine Corps base, the Biden administration and all involved agencies have essentially confirmed one of America’s worst — and most politically consequential — nightmares related to the ongoing border crisis. A terror attack emanating from an illegal Southwest Border crossing just happened, and since that precedent is now established, more are likely on the way.In my reasoned opinion, a Jordanian immigrant who illegally crossed the Southwest Border from Mexico finally staged the first known terrorism attack on U.S. soil on May 3 after having accessed the target from the Mexican border.
Somehow he concludes that now that there has been one, there will of course be many many more. The logic is abysmal and as this is the first of how many border crossers it is obviously not the problem you think it is. By your logic, we should shut down all airports since that is the major entry point for foreign terrorists and what do you propose to shut to stop all the terrorists born in this country?:
No, it really was irrelevant. Any domestic terrorists that exist don't mean a policy regarding illegal immigrants terrorist is moot. Having different policies for dealing with nativist or illegal immigrant terrorist is not a problem. If returning illegal immigrants terrorists to their countries of origin is the policy for dealing with them (which may or may not be), that doesn't mean we also must "kick out" U.S. citizens who are terrorists. That is a non sequitur.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it is in both cases an internal job for the police and what not. So it is not happening at the border.
With respect to illegal immigration enforcement, the "border" is not just a physical location.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, you are now not at the actual border and you have to catch the illegal ones inside the USA. How do you do that?
In any case where an illegal immigrant is apprehended within U.S. jurisdiction the current law and policies are followed. As things stand today the policies of the Biden administration have demonstrated that the changes he put in place on his first day in office have failed. This is evidence by the unprecedented increase in illegal immigration. Therefore the policies he changed should be restored, as a start. If you were actually asking what I think the policies should be, I would suggest starting by implementing the policies as outlined in the Republican party platform statement on the issue. It can be found here, https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/doc...and_National_Immigration_Policy_Reform_LH.pdf
That would only be a start.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
an anarchist
Your local loco.
How does illegal immigration hurt you personally? What is it you have to "tolerate"?
People are often illegally immigrating here because they have no other choice for the survival of their family. I am confused at what it is you are "tolerating".
Heyo
Veteran Member
Not false, but incomplete. People have many reasons to go to the US, better quality of life is just one of them, and probably a major one.
I agree. And the discussion has to recognize the differences. There are (potential) immigrants, people just seeking a job and asylum seekers. Asylum seekers are fleeing persecution (possibly from governments installed by the CIA) and just seek a safe haven until things get better at home. They are tossed in with legal and illegal immigrants, not only in public discussions, but also in the treatment. That should not happen.
Don’t cherry pick. Read the rest. Taxes. Law and order. Social security. Why can’t we stick with a lawful process?
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Your OP is thoughtful and I appreciated reading it. I live close to the border too, I have my whole life. I think maybe people sometimes forget that the US-Mexico border wasn't finalized until the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, and ironically, prior to that, Americans had been settling on Mexican land in such numbers that it was causing the Mexican government consternation. That border has been in flux ever since, and undocumented border crossing didn't wasn't even made a criminal offense until 1929. During WWII the US actively courted Mexican workers through the Bracero program to make up for war-related labor shortages. It's been only in recent decades that the border has become the pet political football it is now. In the meantime, life in my border state goes on as usual.