Do you trust God?

[Sheldon]

I believe in an all-powerful God because I have evidence.

Yet never demonstrate anything beyond bare unevidenced claims, like this one.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have had to trust Him. I realize that His love for us is so immense that He is interested in every aspect of my life.

The better question IMV is "Will humanity let God help them and love them"

In my case, it is a Christian viewpoint.

That's beautiful Ken. I can always count on Christians to remind me about God's Love even though I have a very difficult time believing that God is loving, given all the suffering I have endured and given all the suffering in the world.

In other words, I need all the help I can get. I STILL struggle, in spite of what my religion teaches about God's Love.

3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.

4: O SON OF MAN! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.

5: O SON OF BEING! Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.

The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet never demonstrate anything beyond bare unevidenced claims, like this one.

They are evidenced, you just don't like the evidence.

 

[Sheldon]

I am not limiting God's power,

1. God cannot do what is not within His nature to do.

2. God cannot write.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is not within God's nature to write because God is not a man.

 

[sun rise]

I don't know what the non-dual perspective is.

I do not believe that God ever took on human form because that would mean that God became a man (incarnated).
I believe that God manifested in human form but I don't believe that the Essence of God ever became a human.

...

From the Britannica page on advaita (non-dualism):
...there is no duality; the mind, awake or dreaming, moves through maya (“illusion”); and nonduality (advaita) is the only final truth. That truth is concealed by the ignorance of illusion. There is no becoming, either of a thing by itself or of a thing out of some other thing. There is ultimately no individual self or soul (jiva), only the atman (universal soul), in which individuals may be temporarily delineated, just as the space in a jar delineates a part of the larger space around it: when the jar is broken, the individual space becomes once more part of the larger space.

As far as beliefs go, we have different ones since I believe God has taken human form repeatedly and is called The Avatar in Hindu terms.

 

[sun rise]

You are a believer in Meher Baba? My brother Phil used to believe in him before he became a Baha'i!

Yes, I accepted that Meher Baba is the Avatar, God in human form.

 

[Sheldon]

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code. The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222...., 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure. The cooperative symmetry of the genetic code demonstrates that possibly a zero was invented and used by this mechanism. Such organization of the genetic code could be explained by activities of some hypothetical molecular organelles working as natural biocomputers of digital genetic texts. It is well known that if mutation replaces an amino acid, the change of hydrophobicity is generally weak, while that of size is strong. The anti symmetrical correlation between the amino acid size and the degeneracy number is known as well. It is shown that these and some other familiar properties may be a physicochemical effect of arithmetic inside the genetic code. The "frozen accident" model, giving unlimited freedom to the mapping function, could optimally support the appearance of both arithmetic symbols and physicochemical protection inside the genetic code."


. 2003 Aug;70(3):187-209. doi: 10.1016/s0303-2647(03)00066-2.
Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code
Vladimir I shCherbak 1
Affiliations

• PMID: 12941485
  
• DOI: 10.1016/s0303-2647(03)00066-2

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code - PubMed

So you plagiarised an article verbatim from pubmed? Your link doesn't work, and 37 is still just a number, an abstract concept we find useful, so claiming it's appearance is significant, is the same mistake religious apologists make when they imply scientific laws "need a lawmaker".

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, the question was for believers, not for atheists, but atheists don't seem to be able to resist my threads.

Then, why did you put it up in the General Religious Debates forum?

 

[Suave]

Some time ago when asked for evidence I posted the claims of Baha’u’llah and the evidence that supports the claims of Baha’u’llah on this thread:

Abdul Baha's writings suggest to me he realized our universe is simulated. I'm very intrigued by this. For me, the discovery of computer code found in string theory. was compelling evidence we are indeed living in the Matrix, but this discovery was just made very recently. How did Abdul Baha realize we are living in a virtual reality world?

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

"O thou handmaid aflame with the fire of God’s love! Grieve thou not over the troubles and hardships of this nether world, nor be thou glad in times of ease and comfort, for both shall pass away. This present life is even as a swelling wave, or a mirage, or drifting shadows. Could ever a distorted image on the desert serve as refreshing waters? No, by the Lord of Lords! Never can reality and the mere semblance of reality be one, and wide is the difference between fancy and fact, between truth and the phantom thereof. – Abdu’l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, pp. 177-178.

The excerpt goes on to say:

Know thou that the Kingdom is the real world, and this nether place is only its shadow stretching out. A shadow hath no life of its own; its existence is only a fantasy, and nothing more; it is but images reflected in water, and seeming as pictures to the eye." – Ibid.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Since you wrote "all readers", I'll comment that it's not in any sense new or strange to me. Whether it be God in human form, the Avatar, or man becoming God (Ramakrishna, Rumi, Hafiz, Ramana Maharshi, Kabir,St. Francis of Assisi and so forth), I've been studying their lives and works for decades.

Ah, so you suggest that God is continually shifting back and forth between being divine and human.

Have you worked out why?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have had to trust Him. I realize that His love for us is so immense that He is interested in every aspect of my life.

The better question IMV is "Will humanity let God help them and love them"

In my case, it is a Christian viewpoint.

I repeatedly prayed to God for help as a small child and asked him to stop my mother from beating the holy crap out of me. Of course, I didn't use those exact words at the time, but that's exactly what happened to me. Well, all of my desperate prayers to a "loving merciful heavenly father" went unanswered, and the physical abuse (as well as other forms of abuse and neglect) continued throughout my childhood and adolescence, and the abuse didn't stop until I moved out of our house when I was 18 years old.

Personally speaking, there was a time when I would have preferred God to help me and at least feel like I was deserving of his love and protection. But those days are long gone. I've wasted 31 years of my life trying to hold onto that false hope, but I've finally let it go, and I'm better off without it. I feel at peace now that I'm no longer holding onto the desperate belief that God will save me.

 

[Sheldon]

Trailblazer said: Ordinary humans do not have the capacity to understand God.

1. God communicates to a Messenger
2. God cannot do what is not within His nature to do.
3. God has no hands so God cannot write.
4. God could communicate to humans in another fashion

Is it me?
I see no contradictions.

I believe that you don't, nonetheless as we can see you claimed "no one has the capacity to understand God", then immediately proceeded to make 4 separate claims about it.

 

[Father Heathen]

So, only one God, but incompetent to make himself reliably understood. How unfortunate.

If such an entity exists, I would imagine the notion that it wants us to worship it, acknowledge it, understand it, etc. would be purely human presumption.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle.

No doubt (whatever you said), but my question is, does this mean "don't eat pigs and shrimp" or is it more of a command to go kill Canaanites? I'm not seeing the meaning, and you're not presenting it.

 

[Sheldon]

They would know it is God who is writing through Messenger after they determined that the Messenger was speaking for God, having conducted an independent investigation of the Messenger and His claims.

Another circular reasoning fallacy, followed by a bare claim. If you claim to know this, then one assumes you have "conducted an independent investigation of the Messenger and His claims", so how come you can demonstrate nothing but this bare claim?

What facts or information support this claim?

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is not within God's nature to write because God is not a man.

You mean God cannot write?? Just as he cannot communicate with normal humans? Who did then write the laws on stone (or on a clay tablet)? Moses himself? Seems you have a limited-power edition of God?

 

[Suave]

Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code - PubMed

So you plagiarised an article verbatim from pubmed? Your link doesn't work, and 37 is still just a number, an abstract concept we find useful, so claiming it's appearance is significant, is the same mistake religious apologists make when they imply scientific laws "need a lawmaker".

Quotes and source reference citation there given. Ooops!, my bad, I should have checked the link to article in order to see that it was still functional. I very much appreciate you informing me of this errant link I mistakenly assumed this was still functional. I should not assume, because when I assume, I make an..#$$ out of you and me. I'm so sorry! I've was able to get to the article with this following link: Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code - PubMed

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God has never lied to me

Well, that just leaves a simple question:

Has God ever spoken to you?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code. The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222...., 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure. The cooperative symmetry of the genetic code demonstrates that possibly a zero was invented and used by this mechanism. Such organization of the genetic code could be explained by activities of some hypothetical molecular organelles working as natural biocomputers of digital genetic texts. It is well known that if mutation replaces an amino acid, the change of hydrophobicity is generally weak, while that of size is strong. The anti symmetrical correlation between the amino acid size and the degeneracy number is known as well. It is shown that these and some other familiar properties may be a physicochemical effect of arithmetic inside the genetic code. The "frozen accident" model, giving unlimited freedom to the mapping function, could optimally support the appearance of both arithmetic symbols and physicochemical protection inside the genetic code."


. 2003 Aug;70(3):187-209. doi: 10.1016/s0303-2647(03)00066-2.
Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code
Vladimir I shCherbak 1
Affiliations

• PMID: 12941485
  
• DOI: 10.1016/s0303-2647(03)00066-2

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

I wonder if you have noticed that you are posting pages of gobbledegook, and yet have so far not even hinted at whether you thought it actual meant anything.

Look, you can say, "wow, there's so much meaning in what follows," but if you can't actually discern WHAT that meaning might be, I don't think you're contributing much of anything at all.

Well, no, I take that back. I think you are contributing nothing whatever.