Do you trust God?

[Clara Tea]

Who wrote Anal hak?
And how in the world does that mean "I am God"?

If I was that God, I'd choose a different name.

 

[Clara Tea]

Since I consider God as being the controller of simulations, a virtual reality programmer of human consciousness, I'm guessing there is no other choice for me than to trust in God. Also, it's according to our dollar's motto, "In God we Trust".

I thought that was because we have paper money, and everyone trusted gold, not paper.

 

[Clara Tea]

Sorry, Sheldon, I could manage only writing a few posts before going astray of Occam's Razor.

That's a close shave.

 

[Clara Tea]

No, it is just simple logic. God communicates to a Messenger who is BOTH divine and human such that the divide between the unknowable God and humans can be bridged. The Messengers can understand God and humans and they can relay messages from God to humans in a form that humans can understand. Ordinary humans do not have the capacity to understand God.

What do you think God should do that is obvious?

Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything, it means all-powerful. God cannot do what is not within His nature to do. God has no hands so God cannot write. God could communicate to humans in another fashion but it would not garner belief in God because no ordinary human could ever understand God.

Atlas holds the world.

Atlas stands on a turtle.

Eventually, I have to ask what the turtle stands on?

God communicates to a messenger.
The messenger bridges the gap between God and humans.

Eventually we run out of inventive things to day.

 

[firedragon]

If I was that God, I'd choose a different name.

Maybe you would like it written separately. Like An al hak.

Some English word, like lets say "modal" will mean "stupid" in another asian language.

 

[sun rise]

Who wrote Anal hak?
And how in the world does that mean "I am God"?

Welcome to Encyclopaedia Iranica has a discussion of which includes this:

Ḥallāǰ’s ana’l-ḥaqq was later generally understood as meaning “I am God,” for ḥaqq had become a frequently used equivalent of “God,” especially in the non-Arabic areas. Hence, ana’l-ḥaqq was interpreted as the most daring expression of man’s essential unity with God, and is a key expression in the mystical poetry of Iran, Turkey, Muslim India, and Indonesia wherever the theories of waḥdat al-woǰūd “Unity of Being” were employed.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Do you trust God?

Yes, I trust God. I believe as you do that there is just One God and that His Guidance has been reliably community through Great Teachers within different traditions throughout human history. That guidance has provided the straight path, not that I always walk that path as I should.

 

[Trailblazer]

You know where all the relevant quotes are.

Indeed I do because I have been saving them in Word documents and stashing them in folders for the last seven years! I also have a photographic memory so i know exactly where they all are.

 

[Trailblazer]

Wait... God can create the complex universe but cannot do something as mundane as WRITE?????!!!!!!!

Maybe He can, I don't know everything God can do. All I know is that God has chosen to entrust the job of writing to His Messengers.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Yes, I trust in God. Life would, at times, be intolerable otherwise. What’s more, it would be meaningless and empty, “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” (Shakespeare, Macbeth)

I also believe this line from Mikhael Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita; “Don’t trouble yourself Margarita. Everything will turn out right, the world is built on that.” Somewhat ironically, it’s the devil who is talking here; but in Bulgakov’s universe, even the darkness serves the light.

 

[Trailblazer]

God's tests determine good from bad. Yet, God is all knowing and knows the future, so why bother testing?

The testing is for the purpose of distinguishing light from darkness. The all-knowing God already knows what we will become but we need to be tested to develop spiritually.

Is God loving if he tortures? Can't an all powerful God end suffering?

God could end the suffering but that was not His original plan and that is why He created a world in which humans would suffer. I cannot defend that, I just try to accept it since I cannot change it.

Why do humans have to do anything for God if God is all powerful and can do anything?

Humans are not doing anything for God, we are doing things for ourselves. God does not need anything from humans since God is fully self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, I trust in God. Life would, at times, be intolerable otherwise. What’s more, it would be meaningless and empty.

Indeed it would be, with self alone.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Maybe He can, I don't know everything God can do. All I know is that God has chosen to entrust the job of writing to His Messengers.

Fair enough. Maybe it shouldn't be said that he CAN'T do anything, but that he refuses to.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Fair enough. Maybe it shouldn't be said that he CAN'T do anything, but that he refuses to.

During the course of their lifelong discourse about, among other things, quantum mechanics, Albert Einstein said to Niels Bohr, “God does not play dice with the universe”.
Bohr eventually replied, “Stop telling God what to do with his dice.”

The point being that we should abandon expectations; God, the Universe, the Laws of Physics, behave in ways that are often utterly incomprehensible to humans. Put another way, it is sometimes easier to make sense of things, when we stop insisting that they make sense on our terms…

 

[Aupmanyav]

I don't know the Bible very well, but as I recall from the movie The Ten Commandments, the mind of God etched the words on those stone tablets. I don't think that work for the Writings of Baha'u'llah since there were 15,000 tablets, not just 10 commandments.

Is not that a bit too much,? 15,00 what? Tablets are made of clay. Did Bahaollah write on 15,000 clay tablets? If God can write on stone with his mind, he certainly does not need hands or legs. But, still, for your all-mighty God, it is not possible to communicate with people without a translator. Is not that surprising? That is what I said, you have a limited-power edition of God.

It is sometimes easier to make sense of things, when we stop insisting that they make sense on our terms…

That will be a backward step. It is with questions and inquiry, we have reached at this stage.

 

[Samael_Khan]

During the course of their lifelong discourse about, among other things, quantum mechanics, Albert Einstein said to Niels Bohr, “God does not play dice with the universe”.
Bohr eventually replied, “Stop telling God what to do with his dice.”

The point being that we should abandon expectations; God, the Universe, the Laws of Physics, behave in ways that are often utterly incomprehensible to humans. Put another way, it is sometimes easier to make sense of things, when we stop insisting that they make sense on our terms…

The question to be asked is: For what reason did god/s create the universe?

This is where imagination comes to play as well as paralleling possibilities with why creators create things in reality.

Humans create imaginary worlds all the time. Often time it is for entertainment, for experimentation, as a form of self expression. Why wouldn't god/s make the real universe for similar purposes?

 

[firedragon]

Welcome to Encyclopaedia Iranica has a discussion of which includes this:

Ḥallāǰ’s ana’l-ḥaqq was later generally understood as meaning “I am God,” for ḥaqq had become a frequently used equivalent of “God,” especially in the non-Arabic areas. Hence, ana’l-ḥaqq was interpreted as the most daring expression of man’s essential unity with God, and is a key expression in the mystical poetry of Iran, Turkey, Muslim India, and Indonesia wherever the theories of waḥdat al-woǰūd “Unity of Being” were employed.

That does not answer that simple question I asked you.

• Who wrote it?
• How does that "mean" I am God?

Quoting Encyclopaedia Iranica, saying "welcome to" as if other people dont know the website called "google", and every tom, dick, and harry reads the encyclopaedia, where it directly says "Ḥallāǰ’s ana’l-ḥaqq was later generally understood as meaning “I am God,", is just sidestepping the question. It says "later", Hallajs, some book, someone wrote, in the 20th century, later came to be known as "I am God", which the author himself in his latter 1980's edition says this is like blasphemy and he who wrote it as a story, poetically, following something like Kahlil Gibran.

Find out.

And have you studied the Wahdathul Wujud? When was that conceptualised? And when was the "great moment/minute" written where you have taken this from? What is the time difference? Why is the author himself adding to his latter edition disqualifying your belief though it because famous in the Sufi traditions in the 20th century??

There is no authenticity to this. Absolutely none. Even in the Sufi traditions.

Cmon sunrise. You have better analytical skills than this.

 

[firedragon]

Is not that a bit too much,? 15,00 what? Tablets are made of clay.

Hmm. I dont really remember his writings being saying tablets are made of clay. The reference to Tablets stems from the root word Lawaha and the word Wahi or revelation is the same root. There is no indication it is made out of clay.

If someone told you this "tablets made of clay", someone made it up and told you some nonsense.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I suppose He could if He wanted to, but why should God write when He can hire it out?

Lazy fellow, does not want to do anything, getting fat on a couch. I suppose he gave the contract for creation of the universe also to some third grade builder. That is why every thing in creation has faults.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hmm. I dont really remember his writings being saying tablets are made of clay.

My question is 'Why Bahais term the notes by Bahaollah as tablets?' That is only trying to impress people with an ancient sounding name. In the same way Shoghi used old English for translation, giveth, taketh. There also the motivation was to fool people as if the writings are old. Shoghi studied for some time in Oxford and married a Canadian. He knew modern English. So why?