Do you trust God?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If such an entity exists, I would imagine the notion that it wants us to worship it, acknowledge it, understand it, etc. would be purely human presumption.

Well, unless he tells me himself that what he wants, I do not feel in the slightest predisposed to believe what some bozo in a fancy constume tells me.

 

[Aupmanyav]

3. God has no hands so God cannot write.

Your God not done so many things without hands? Why can he not write without hands? Oh, he does not have that power.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then, why did you put it up in the General Religious Debates forum?

Why not? There might be some believers who trust God and some who don't. That could be a debate.
But I don't mind if atheists show up, I like talking to atheists. They are lots of fun and God knows I need fun.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, unless he tells me himself that what he wants, I do not feel in the slightest predisposed to believe what some bozo in a fancy constume tells me.

Bahaollah did not wear fancy costumes.

That could be a debate.
But I don't mind if atheists show up, I like talking to atheists. They are lots of fun and God knows I need fun.

That is exactly what I am doing. Having fun with a person who claims the earth but does not have any evidence to support it.

 

[firedragon]

Since you wrote "all readers", I'll comment that it's not in any sense new or strange to me. Whether it be God in human form, the Avatar, or man becoming God (Ramakrishna, Rumi, Hafiz, Ramana Maharshi, Kabir,St. Francis of Assisi and so forth), I've been studying their lives and works for decades.

You believe Rumi was an avatar of God?

 

[Trailblazer]

"O thou handmaid aflame with the fire of God’s love! Grieve thou not over the troubles and hardships of this nether world, nor be thou glad in times of ease and comfort, for both shall pass away. This present life is even as a swelling wave, or a mirage, or drifting shadows. Could ever a distorted image on the desert serve as refreshing waters? No, by the Lord of Lords! Never can reality and the mere semblance of reality be one, and wide is the difference between fancy and fact, between truth and the phantom thereof. – Abdu’l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, pp. 177-178.

The excerpt goes on to say:

Know thou that the Kingdom is the real world, and this nether place is only its shadow stretching out. A shadow hath no life of its own; its existence is only a fantasy, and nothing more; it is but images reflected in water, and seeming as pictures to the eye." – Ibid.

There are a lot more Writings on this subject. For example:

“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that you don't, nonetheless as we can see you claimed "no one has the capacity to understand God", then immediately proceeded to make 4 separate claims about it.

There is no contradiction. I cannot understand God directly but I can understand God from what Baha'u'llah wrote about God. What you call claims are derived from what Baha'u'llah wrote about God.

 

[Trailblazer]

What facts or information support this claim?

Some time ago I posted the claims of Baha’u’llah and the facts and information that support the claims on this thread:

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

 

[Suave]

No doubt (whatever you said), but my question is, does this mean "don't eat pigs and shrimp" or is it more of a command to go kill Canaanites? I'm not seeing the meaning, and you're not presenting it.

I wonder if you have noticed that you are posting pages of gobbledegook, and yet have so far not even hinted at whether you thought it actual meant anything.

Look, you can say, "wow, there's so much meaning in what follows," but if you can't actually discern WHAT that meaning might be, I don't think you're contributing much of anything at all.

Well, no, I take that back. I think you are contributing nothing whatever.

For all I know, Our genetic code's Creator might just like marking everybody's DNA with an Egyptian triangle. I have some subjective ideas what that Egyptian triangle could possibly symbolize, but I don't honestly know with any degree of certainty what that is suppose to represent. Perhaps, Dr. Vladimir shCherbak or astrobiologist and theoretical physicist Maxim Makukov, the researchers who discovered the Wow! signal of the terrestrial genetic code,, might have a better understanding of why the nucleon count of particular codon groups with the factor of 37 as a decipher code happens to mathematically depict an Egyptian triangle. I will email them regarding this matter, and let us know what they think about that.

 

[Trailblazer]

You mean God cannot write?? Just as he cannot communicate with normal humans? Who did then write the laws on stone (or on a clay tablet)? Moses himself? Seems you have a limited-power edition of God?

I don't know the Bible very well, but as I recall from the movie The Ten Commandments, the mind of God etched the words on those stone tablets. I don't think that work for the Writings of Baha'u'llah since there were 15,000 tablets, not just 10 commandments.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, unless he tells me himself that what he wants, I do not feel in the slightest predisposed to believe what some bozo in a fancy constume tells me.

I fully understand since I have been posting to atheists 24/7 for nine years, but I still thought what you said about some bozo was funny, but thanks because God knows I need a laugh.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your God not done so many things without hands? Why can he not write without hands? Oh, he does not have that power.

I suppose He could if He wanted to, but why should God write when He can hire it out?

 

[Trailblazer]

Bahaollah did not wear fancy costumes.

No, He was a plainclothesman.

That is exactly what I am doing. Having fun with a person who claims the earth but does not have any evidence to support it.

Go on ahead, have all the fun you want. I need fun as my life is too serious.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well, unless he tells me himself that what he wants, I do not feel in the slightest predisposed to believe what some bozo in a fancy constume tells me.

Exactly. Regardless of whether or not there is a god, religions are merely self-appointed middlemen who use the concept as a ventriloquist dummy.

 

[Truthseeker]

That's right Duane.

“Say: He ordaineth as He pleaseth, by virtue of His sovereignty, and doeth whatsoever He willeth at His own behest. He shall not be asked of the things it pleaseth Him to ordain. He, in truth, is the Unrestrained, the All-Powerful, the All-Wise.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p, 284

“Say: O people! Let not this life and its deceits deceive you, for the world and all that is therein is held firmly in the grasp of His Will. He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 209

You know where all the relevant quotes are.

 

[sun rise]

Ah, so you suggest that God is continually shifting back and forth between being divine and human.

Have you worked out why?

No I didn't. God is always divine. The Avatar, the God-Man is born when needed. Why and when?

... Man seems more than ever enslaved by desire, more than ever driven by greed, held by fear, swept by anger. The strong dominate the weak; the rich oppress the poor; large masses of people are exploited for the benefit of the few who are in power. The individual, who finds no peace or rest, seeks to forget himself in excitement. Immorality increases, crime flourishes, religion is ridiculed. Corruption spreads throughout the social order. Class and national hatreds are aroused and fostered. Wars break out. Humanity grows desperate. There seems to be no possibility of stemming the tide of destruction. At this moment the Avatar appears. Being the total manifestation of God in human form, he is like a gauge against which man can measure what he is and what he may become. He trues the standard of human values by interpreting them in terms of divinely human life.

 

[sun rise]

You believe Rumi was an avatar of God?

I believe Rumi was a man who achieved the "I am God" state Ana Al-Haqq (Arabic: أنا الحَقيقة) The Avatar is God taking birth as man not man achieving the state of divinity.

 

[firedragon]

I believe Rumi was a man who achieved the "I am God" state Ana Al-Haqq (Arabic: أنا الحَقيقة) The Avatar is God taking birth as man not man achieving the state of divinity.

Who wrote Anal hak?
And how in the world does that mean "I am God"?

 

[Samael_Khan]

No, God relies upon Messengers who are both divine and human. God cannot write because God is not a human. I do not believe in old Bible stories.

Wait... God can create the complex universe but cannot do something as mundane as WRITE?????!!!!!!!

 

[Clara Tea]

Do you trust God?

Loving God is different than trusting God. I cannot honestly say I love God but I trust God. I not only know for certain that God exists, I know that God has my best interests in mind and is guiding me through life.

I have gone through hell to finally come to this realization. Hell in the Baha’i Faith is not a place we go when we die. It is distance from God, and we can be in hell in this life as well as in the next life.

I am sure I will have more tests but I hope I do not have to go back to hell again.

55. O Son of Being!
Busy not thyself with this world, for with fire We test the gold, and with gold We test Our servants.
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah

“… the Almighty hath tried, and will continue to try, His servants, so that light may be distinguished from darkness, truth from falsehood, right from wrong, guidance from error, happiness from misery, and roses from thorns. Even as He hath revealed: “Do men think when they say ‘We believe’ they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?” 5 “
Bahá’u’lláh, The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 8-9

Is God loving? I do not ‘believe’ that God is loving given all the suffering in this world but I think I am probably wrong and God is loving in spite of all the suffering. Personally, I do not really care if God is loving, as it matters more to me that I can trust God. If there was no God I would have no hope, but I trust that whatever happens is God’s Will and I try to accept it day by day. That is all I can do.

I live only in the present day. I have no plans for the future. If I think about the future I have so much anxiety I want to die since so many things in my life are hanging out in mid-air and I cannot even imagine how they will ever get resolved. The only hope I have is trusting that God will be there to help me when I need Him.

The pope (head of the Catholic religion at the Vatican) didn't have faith that God would save them from the coronavirus pandemic, so he cut off visitation.

God's tests determine good from bad. Yet, God is all knowing and knows the future, so why bother testing?

Is God loving if he tortures? Can't an all powerful God end suffering?

Why do humans have to do anything for God if God is all powerful and can do anything?