Do you want the Ukrainian War to end today?

[metis]

One question:
do you love my country?
Or you hate it?

Answer this question first.

No, although you should know that answer as I've already answered it.

Secondly, your question has nothing to do with what I posted, so why are you being evasive?

 

[Estro Felino]

No, although you should know that answer as I've already answered it.

Secondly, your question has nothing to do with what I posted, so why are you being evasive?

If you refuse to answer my questions, why should I have a dialogue with you?

With all due respect...dialogue is about mutual respect.

 

[Altfish]

None of the choices.
I want the war to end asap BUT with no land gains for Russia.

 

[Estro Felino]

None of the choices.
I want the war to end asap BUT with no land gains for Russia.

Basically the second option.
Because the land gains are there.

 

[Altfish]

Basically the second option.
Because the land gains are there.

No, because Russia will never accept that they were defeated.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In a trial these arguments are considered grasping at straws.
The responsible is always the one who announces their own crime.

Not the victim who undergoes the crime.
Russia is the victim. It's their pipelines.

Russian leaders are pathological liars. The modus operandi are false flag operations.
Because of this, intelligence around the world almost by default assume that if Russia "warns" that some country is planning to do something to hurt them, it is Russia itself that plans to do it as a false flag operation.

They are literally known for this kind of shenannigans.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If they wanted to stop the gas supply...they really needed to push a button.
To interrupt the supply.

Which they were already doing on a regular basis.

Did you actually read the post?
They did this constantly: lower and stop supply for ridiculous obviously false reasons. The real reason was hurting the west economically.
But if the west themselves decide to stop buying that gas, then that leverage is gone.

Blowing up the pipelines would thus be a last end-game action to strike one last big blow in economic warfare.
Russia is not the only one with that button to stop gas from flowing through those pipes. The customer at the end of the line can do that too.

 

[Estro Felino]

Russian leaders are pathological liars. The modus operandi are false flag operations.
Because of this, intelligence around the world almost by default assume that if Russia "warns" that some country is planning to do something to hurt them, it is Russia itself that plans to do it as a false flag operation.

They are literally known for this kind of shenannigans.

Actually it is the US Deep State which is famous for that.
Since MacNamara confessed, before dying, that the Tonkin incident never happened.

So...speaking of false flags...I have a confession.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nobody denies that Russians are at fault, as for the war.

Tell me one single reason why I shouldn't believe it was the shady élites across the Atlantic Ocean.
Because in the US, people are all holy, immaculate, sinless saints, virgins and martyrs?

Just one reason.

Russia gave the order.
There's your reason.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is Ukraine in the NATO?
No.
So the EU doesn't have any obligation to help them defend themselves.
We can help them economically and through humanitarian aid.
Period.

Not having an obligation to help doesn't mean you can't help.
It means you don't HAVE TO help, but can still choose to do so.

Your goal posts keep moving.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Honestly, I won't be duped by anyone.
I believe my ears only.

Read the title of that clip.
There's an "if" there. Tell me, what's the condition?

 

[Estro Felino]

Read the title of that clip.
There's an "if" there. Tell me, what's the condition?

The US always keeps its promises.

Biden: If Russia invades Ukraine, we will bring an end to Nordstream.
Journalist: How would you do that? The structure is under Germany's control. Only they can shut it down.
Biden: I promise you we will be able to do it. We will bring it down.

Ukraine is invaded by Ukraine.
Are you saying that he didn't keep his promises?


Ok...so the US doesn't keep its promises. I got it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not having an obligation to help doesn't mean you can't help.
It means you don't HAVE TO help, but can still choose to do so.

Your goal posts keep moving.

The argument of war doesn't make you win the elections.

Next year there are the European elections...just a reminder.

Do the Sorosian élites want a disastrous defeat?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am against people's bossiness. You got me all wrong.

I didn't get you wrong. You are simply not understanding the implication of your preference of bending over to bullies.

Unfortunately this war is due to intransigence of both parties.

No. It's due to a foreign army invading a sovereign neighbour.

There is a way:
let Ukraine join the NATO and the EU...and the possibility of new invasions will be reduced to zero.

If Ukraine joins nato, then literally article 5 comes into effect and the west's involvement in the war by merely sending material will no longer be sufficient.
At that point, NATO allies will need to put boots on the ground.

So that means an even bigger war. A world war.

Nobody would dare invade a NATO country.
After this war is over of course.

If Putin knows Ukraine will be joining NATO after the war is over, he will make sure that war is never over. Then he'll either stretch it indefinately or continue until the entire Ukraine is conquered and a puppet regime is installed, which will cancel plans to join NATO.

You really have no clue.

But I understood you don't want Ukraine to join the EU...

I never said that.
You have a habbit of not understanding what people are saying. Not sure if it is deliberate or not.

so...
you want Ukraine to remain in a limbo?

I want Russia to stop their aggression, stop lying and bring their corrupt warmonger leaders to justice. That's the preferred outcome.
But in the end I don't care about their internal sh!t, as long as they keep it internal within their own borders. The problem is that they don't.


As long as that doesn't happen, Ukraine is fully within it's rights to continue defending itself against that foreign aggression.
And we in the west have a moral duty to help them in any way we can.

Ukraine is the victim here.

 

[Estro Felino]

I didn't get you wrong. You are simply not understanding the implication of your preference of bending over to bullies.



No. It's due to a foreign army invading a sovereign neighbour.



If Ukraine joins nato, then literally article 5 comes into effect and the west's involvement in the war by merely sending material will no longer be sufficient.
At that point, NATO allies will need to put boots on the ground.

So that means an even bigger war. A world war.




If Putin knows Ukraine will be joining NATO after the war is over, he will make sure that war is never over. Then he'll either stretch it indefinately or continue until the entire Ukraine is conquered and a puppet regime is installed, which will cancel plans to join NATO.

You really have no clue.



I never said that.
You have a habbit of not understanding what people are saying. Not sure if it is deliberate or not.


I want Russia to stop their aggression, stop lying and bring their corrupt warmonger leaders to justice. That's the preferred outcome.
But in the end I don't care about their internal sh!t, as long as they keep it internal within their own borders. The problem is that they don't.


As long as that doesn't happen, Ukraine is fully within it's rights to continue defending itself against that foreign aggression.
And we in the west have a moral duty to help them in any way we can.

Ukraine is the victim here.

The EU is not the NATO.
So you do want Ukraine to join the EU?

Is that your final answer?

 

[John53]

The US always keeps its promises.

Biden: If Russia invades Ukraine, we will bring an end to Nordstream.
Journalist: How would you do that? The structure is under Germany's control. Only they can shut it down.
Biden: I promise you we will be able to do it. We will bring it down.

Ukraine is invaded by Ukraine.
Are you saying that he didn't keep his promises?


Ok...so the US doesn't keep its promises. I got it.

He didn't have to keep his promise of shutting it down because the Russians had already sabotaged it.

 

[Estro Felino]

He didn't have to keep his promise of shutting it down because the Russians had already sabotaged it.

Do you think that Germans can be duped just like that?
The average German has an average IQ of 100.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The argument of war doesn't make you win the elections.

Next year there are the European elections...just a reminder.

Do the Sorosian élites want a disastrous defeat?

I love how you keep being evasive and jump topics / move goalposts.

That's your modus operandi.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The EU is not the NATO.
So you do want Ukraine to join the EU?

Is that your final answer?

Evade more, evader.

I already responded to this. I will not repeat it.

 

[John53]

Do you think that Germans can be duped just like that?
The average German has an average IQ of 100.

I don't speak for Germany however it is obvious you fall for right wing conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis.