Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[muhammad_isa]

I wouldn't prosecute anyone for marital infidelity,
sex outside of marriage, blasphemy, immodest dress,
& other "crimes" that harm no one..

That is your perception .. that it harms no one.
I disagree .. it leads to a violent society .. exactly as satan wants.

 

[Audie]

You disagree?
I wouldn't prosecute anyone for marital infidelity,
sex outside of marriage, blasphemy, immodest dress,
& other "crimes" that harm no one.

It certainly seems extreme to me.
But this is to be expected.
I've never prayed.

What Islam commands of Muslims shouldn't
apply to non-Muslims. We have our own laws.

Whose laws are immoral depends, Imo,
on to what extent they are claimed as absolutes
from some " god".

 

[Revoltingest]

Whose laws are immoral depends, Imo,
on to what extent they are claimed as absolutes
from some " god".

I don't care about their source.
Only if I personally approve or disapprove.

 

[Audie]

I don't care about their source.
Only if I personally approve or disapprove.

Me too similarly not either.

But that's not what I was saying about.

 

[F1fan]

That is your perception .. that it harms no one.
I disagree .. it leads to a violent society .. exactly as satan wants.

Islam has laws that harm people, so how doesn't satan win in your religion?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm not saying it's not a possibility .. what about orphans?

What I am saying, is that I don't believe the majority of women would not tell anybody,
if they were attacked by a man.

My parents have no idea I was raped 25 years ago. No idea whatsoever. My father has passed away, but my mother and I are very, very close.
I didn't tell my mother because I didn't want her to have to worry about me, I thought she might find a way to blame herself and because I was embarrassed and ashamed. It's really not an easy thing to talk about, especially when you're young.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I froze. Like my 97 lbs could fight anyway.

Same here. That's one of the things I've been ashamed of about myself all these years. Until I learned that it's a common response, that is.

 

[Polymath257]

It is not for the "police or courts" to decide that she is guilty..

Huh? if not them, who? Is it for the police or courts to decide is a person is guilty of theft?

There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help.

And what if she felt her life was in danger and didn't scream because of that? Is it better that she die?

Futhermore, there needs to be 4 witnesses, to accuse a person of adultery .. but not rape.


Zina became a more pressing issue in modern times, as Islamist movements and governments employed polemics against public immorality. In recent decades several countries passed legal reforms that incorporated elements of hudud laws into their legal codes, and many modern Islamists have also disregarded the condition of strict evidence requirements.
Zina - Wikipedia

'Public immorality' should not be a matter for governments. Make laws against people hurting others. Leave the rest to the individual.

 

[Polymath257]

Right .. I'm sure it depends on the situation.

It would be better to avoid being alone away from public places.
In public places, one may scream and expect to be heard.

Isn't the same true of men and theft?

This stinks of blaming the victim.

 

[Polymath257]

I would prefer to live in a society, where people think twice before committing adultery.
i.e. they know it's wrong, and they could be punished

Today's Western society have no law against it.

Nor should there be. People *should* think twice before lying to their spouse. That doesn't mean it should be illegal to do so.

And, let's face it, if they have sex with someone and their spouse isn't OK with it, they *will* get punished. Just not by the government.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..let's face it, if they have sex with someone and their spouse isn't OK with it, they *will* get punished. Just not by the government.

I would prefer not to live in such a violent society, where adultery is common, and crimes of passion
are numerous.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

My parents have no idea I was raped 25 years ago. No idea whatsoever. My father has passed away, but my mother and I are very, very close.
I didn't tell my mother because I didn't want her to have to worry about me, I thought she might find a way to blame herself and because I was embarrassed and ashamed. It's really not an easy thing to talk about, especially when you're young.

My parents are unaware that I was raped 32 years ago, and they wouldn't care. If I told them, they'd blame me and accuse me of doing something wrong to deserve it. That was how my parents felt about me or anyone else who had suffered severe harm at the hands of another. They also found someone else to blame for their mistakes and tried to shift the blame if they harmed someone else. My mother called me a bad child and would complain about all the things I did wrong in her eyes to justify calling me that. She and my dad blamed me for the abuse I suffered at home and the bullying I endured in school.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I would prefer not to live in such a violent society, where adultery is common, and crimes of passion
are numerous.

I would prefer not to live in a religiously oriented society where preaching and proselytizing by Abrahamic theists are common and their overbearing and self-righteous judgments towards others who believe differently are numerous. I'd prefer to live in a society where these theists don't perpetually attempt to impose their beliefs onto others, either by shoving their beliefs down other people's throats by preaching and proselytizing or by coercion of the law.

I'd prefer that they mind their own business and stop sticking their noses where they don't belong, such as in the sexual activity of other consenting adults, married or not. I think that if they'd focus more on the plank in their own eye, they'd have less time to worry about the speck of dust in someone else's eye.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My parents are unaware that I was raped 32 years ago, and they wouldn't care. If I told them, they'd blame me and accuse me of doing something wrong to deserve it. That was how my parents felt about me or anyone else who had suffered severe harm at the hands of another. They also found someone else to blame for their mistakes and tried to shift the blame if they harmed someone else. My mother called me a bad child and would complain about all the things I did wrong in her eyes to justify calling me that. She and my dad blamed me for the abuse I suffered at home and the bullying I endured in school.

That is absolutely horrendous. I'm so sorry you had to endure that. I hope other posters reading this can learn from it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would prefer not to live in such a violent society, where adultery is common, and crimes of passion
are numerous.

So killing everyone who violates the laws is preferable? That strikes me as something of a violent society - a place where the government can murder you for any indiscretion you may make.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is your perception .. that it harms no one.
I disagree .. it leads to a violent society .. exactly as satan wants.

And if you want to impose your beliefs on others, your responsibility is to demonstrate this to the satisfaction of those who would be subjected to the laws you're calling for. This is how things work in a democratic society.

 

[Audie]

Same here. That's one of the things I've been ashamed of about myself all these years. Until I learned that it's a common response, that is.

For a long time I told myself I'd die
fighting rather than have it happenn
again.
Except now I have to face that it was
as involuntary as what followed was,
I was paralyzed.

 

[Audie]

So killing everyone who violates the laws is preferable? That strikes me as something of a violent society - a place where the government can murder you for any indiscretion you may make.

911, anyone?

 

[Audie]

My parents are unaware that I was raped 32 years ago, and they wouldn't care. If I told them, they'd blame me and accuse me of doing something wrong to deserve it. That was how my parents felt about me or anyone else who had suffered severe harm at the hands of another. They also found someone else to blame for their mistakes and tried to shift the blame if they harmed someone else. My mother called me a bad child and would complain about all the things I did wrong in her eyes to justify calling me that. She and my dad blamed me for the abuse I suffered at home and the bullying I endured in school.

At least there was none of that, for me.
That sounds so bad...

I feel for you.

It's hard not to hate men. Not to hate, period.

 

[Audie]

My parents have no idea I was raped 25 years ago. No idea whatsoever. My father has passed away, but my mother and I are very, very close.
I didn't tell my mother because I didn't want her to have to worry about me, I thought she might find a way to blame herself and because I was embarrassed and ashamed. It's really not an easy thing to talk about, especially when you're young.

I was in the hospital in NYC.
Mom came from Hong Kong.

It was so hard on her, I wish some way she
didn't have to know.